all in and muck

benhur7200

hi all,

could someone help with the correct conclusion of what should happen in given situation that was played in a live pub game with no TD.

hero A8 , villain A9, the suits and blinds dont matter in the situaion, but both have about 2000 chips.

flop comes 6, 5, 9.

 hero first to act pushes all in 2000 , villain calls .

hero then mucks cards onto the table face down,

remaing cards 10,7 giving hero straight.

then hero upturns cards to show he had straight, also cards were kept seperate at all time from any other cards on the table

would hero win as he had already been first to act by pushing all in, or does villain win as the cards were mucked facedown to start off with.

would love to hear what people think and any definite ruling please

Blackpuma

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hi all, could someone help with the correct conclusion of what should happen in given situation that was played in a live pub game with no TD. hero A8 , villain A9, the suits and blinds dont matter in the situaion, but both have about 2000 chips. flop comes 6, 5, 9.  hero first to act pushes all in 2000 , villain calls . hero then mucks cards onto the table face down, remaing cards 10,7 giving hero straight. then hero upturns cards to show he had straight, also cards were kept seperate at all time from any other cards on the table would hero win as he had already been first to act by pushing all in, or does villain win as the cards were mucked facedown to start off with. would love to hear what people think and any definite ruling please
Posted by benhur7200

why were the remaining cards dealt after hero mucks cards on the flop ? as soon as he mucks the hand is over 

benhur7200

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Posted by Blackpuma

 well that was part of the little argument that occurred after, with the turn and river being dealt after muck. just trying to get a definitive answer to the situation. but thanks for replying

StayOrGo

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Posted by Blackpuma

+1, hero mucks, hero loses.

Nuggy962

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In Response to all in and muck : why were the remaining cards dealt after hero mucks cards on the flop ? as soon as he mucks the hand is over 
Posted by Blackpuma

Was just having a debate at work and this comment is rigjt on track

Was asking why when you ask a question the first response is always about what should of been done before that and not a response to the actual problem occurance

FwIW

You are correct and is a dealer issie. Happens a lot in local pub games

craigcu12

dealer issues can spread into casinos sometimes I myself had one

me22 

vil 1 88

vil 2 K9 50bb

I raise 3bb and vil 1 RR to 12BB raise 3BB which vil 2 and myself call

flop 852r

it was check round

turn is 7r

I bet 10bb

vil 1 R25

vil 2 50BBAI

I do a min raise

vil 1 AI

The dealer then dealt the river card before I could put the remaining chips in the circle creating a load of confusion over what the winner of 88 would get because at that moment in time I assumed that it was myself who had the bigger stack but it turned out the villian did. Whilst i did hold set i was in serious doubt that set he transformed from person that might give up the flop into a person willing to go all in. 

When the manager came over he said himself i could keep the chips stating only chips in the circle can be won.

lisa1962

In Response to all in and muck:

hi all, could someone help with the correct conclusion of what should happen in given situation that was played in a live pub game with no TD. hero A8 , villain A9, the suits and blinds dont matter in the situaion, but both have about 2000 chips. flop comes 6, 5, 9.  hero first to act pushes all in 2000 , villain calls . hero then mucks cards onto the table face down, remaing cards 10,7 giving hero straight. then hero upturns cards to show he had straight, also cards were kept seperate at all time from any other cards on the table would hero win as he had already been first to act by pushing all in, or does villain win as the cards were mucked facedown to start off with. would love to hear what people think and any definite ruling please
Posted by benhur7200

Hi BenHur, the cards are still considered live as they have not touched the other cards or been touched by other players/dealer. The cards are only considered mucked once they have "hit the muck" ie the other dead cards, or the dealer has collected them in. Hope that clears things up for you!

Phantom66

Doesn't it make a big difference that the betting is closed with the all-in and call?

hero is not folding which would be binding by pushing cards forward face down.

Shouldnt their cards be live still?

I am not sure in my own mind whether the dealer is wrong in not collecting the cards and putting them in the muck and paying the other player, or whether they are correct in keeping the cards live as it is an all-in situation?