Turbo DYM Nuts Ache

TommyD

Ok so following on from Tikay's AK post where the general consensus was that jamming AK pre was a mistake into a raise and 4 callers, I'd like to throw up this companion piece.  It's an £11 Turbo DYM, still 6 handed.  The one stack not shown has 1575.  We have aces and 3 effective all ins in front of us.  We are now faced with calling with worse odds to win the hand outright than AK v one caller's range in the other one.  But it's aces.  WDYD?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TommyD	Small blind		75.00	75.00	1225.00
Juliv	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1400.00
	Your hole cards	A A
ALEEXYOOUN	All-in		450.00	675.00	0.00
SMARTGOAT	Fold
KULLY74	Call		450.00	1125.00	125.00
Hsewell	All-in		550.00	1675.00	0.00
TommyD	????

hhyftrftdr

Call or click it to stick the other guy in?

Your liability isn't even too bad should the worse happen.

Lambert180

Yeah I just re-jam and take our chances, but then I was in the 'jam AK' camp in the other thread so...

edrich

       All in. You are likely to be 60%+ to end the game here.

       If you fold you will be effectively 4th with 1225 chips 4 handed.

       Push and the worst case is 4th with 775 chips, (still playable), possibly 1000 if Alex wins and you beat the other two.

                               Ed.

SMARTGOAT

I was thinking of this scenario after reading Tikay's thread. I agree with Edrich, you're only risking half your stack to potentially end the game right here. If you lose the pot we're likely 4 handed and you still have enough chips to be in contention. There's also a chance the big blind calls your shove and then your big favourite for the side pot. 

I think if this was the first level and all stacks were equal it would be an incredibly disciplined fold

Tikay10

There's a really odd extension to this one, Tommy.

6 players, it's the very first hand of a NLH DYM, the first 5 all go all-in for their 2,000 chips.

We are last to act, & have the aces.
 
It's the easiest fold ever, but how many here really WOULD fold? Bet it's less than 50%.  

stuarty117

In Response to Re: Turbo DYM Nuts Ache:

I was thinking of this scenario after reading Tikay's thread. I agree with Edrich, you're only risking half your stack to potentially end the game right here. If you lose the pot we're likely 4 handed and you still have enough chips to be in contention. There's also a chance the big blind calls your shove and then your big favourite for the side pot.  I think if this was the first level and all stacks were equal it would be an incredibly disciplined fold
Posted by SMARTGOAT

This

ALot different to the AK hand, we can end it here and hopefully be favourite for a small side pot. If he dosnt call his last 100 odd chips then we are fav to go 3 handed. Worst case we have over 700 chips on the bubble.

Phantom66

I think it's a jam, but is it a clear cut one? We are going to be roughly 50% assuming we end up v 3 players.

I think it is the stack sizes and the fact that we are still live and probably on the bubble even if things do go wrong.

I dont think it is really comparable to the AKs hand, while getting folds is possible there, we can easily be down to around 35% if we get 2 callers, We can also be bust in that hand and are likely to be flipping it with 1 caller. Winning it doesn't give us a lock on the cash never mind the cash.

Also in this hand it is hard to argue for better spots and the chance to outplay opponents if we pass, given it is an £11 BI and a turbo structire and the blinds are already at 75/150.

We could get called by the BB still and bust this hand, but we would have to be happy to have a side pot here 1v1 with AA.

Overall we are 50% to cash by winning the hand, if we lose the hand and have 700 chips on the bubble we muxt have a better than 20% chance of still cashing which surely make it worthwhile overall?

Easy to find spots where folding AA is correct in a DYM but I don't think this is one of them.