You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.
You might need to refresh your page afterwards.
Sky Poker forums will be temporarily unavailable from 11pm Wednesday July 25th.
Sky Poker Forums is upgrading its look! Stay tuned for the big reveal!
PROTECT YOUR CARDS?
I was playing in a tournament and had just pushed all in post flop. I was in position 10 on a table of 10. While the dealer was gathering in the other players folded hands he pulled my cards into the muck. The dealer was a member of the public who had also been playing. At this point there were two of us left, the player to my right who had put in a substantial raise and myself. This player claimed the pot was his because my hand had been mucked, he expanded that it was my responsibility to "protect" my cards, obviously meaning from other players and the dealer. The dealer decided to return our bets and to split the remaining chips 50/50. The guy to my right started claiming he had paired and I openly answered the question that I had not paired so he cited the fact that he had paired as reason enough to claim the pot. Because of this the Tourny Manager was asked for a ruling, he ruled that the dealer's decision was final and agreed with the dealer's solution.
My question is what do the rules mean about "protecting" my cards. My card were on the baize behind the play line, the line which surrounds the table and ends on the left and right side of the dealers seat where it comes back at a right angle to meet the table edge. I assumed that if my cards in play were behind the line and were then abused by a dealer or anyone else I would get the sympathy or have my bet covered. What is the position as far as the rules are concerned?????
My question is what do the rules mean about "protecting" my cards. My card were on the baize behind the play line, the line which surrounds the table and ends on the left and right side of the dealers seat where it comes back at a right angle to meet the table edge. I assumed that if my cards in play were behind the line and were then abused by a dealer or anyone else I would get the sympathy or have my bet covered. What is the position as far as the rules are concerned?????
Comments
The main reason to use a card protector is to prevent your cards from being accidentally mucked by another player or the dealer. If your hand is mucked, your hand is dead and you can't retrieve it from the pile of mucked cards.
As barry says most people you a card protector to stop the dealer mucking your cards, this can be anything really, just sit it on top of your cards and it shouldnt happen again.
Gareth
Keep a chip on your hand, use a card protector, put your finger on the cards - anything to protect tem - it is your responsibility to protect them from the dealer. The guy was within his right asking for a ruleing because the chips should not have been shared!!
Wow - you got VERY lucky there!
Your hand was dead, very dead, extremely very seriously dead, as in dead.
1) You are never entitled to half the pot. Your hand was dead, killed, kaput.
2) It does not matter WHERE your cards were, forget the "betting line", it's not relervant. "It is the players responsibility to protect his own cards at all times". Always. If they get accidentally mucked by the Dealer, it is deemed to be YOUR FAULT, as you did not protect them. Protect them with a card-marker, or hold your hands on them at all times.
Roberts Rules of Poker say this.......
"You must protect your own hand at all times. Your cards may be protected with your hands, a chip, or other object placed on top of them. If you fail to protect your hand, you will have no redress if it becomes fouled or the dealer accidentally kills it."
An example of a "fouled hand".
If you are in Seat 10, say, & another players cards, when being chucked in the muck, accidentally land on, or touch, your unprotected hand - YOUR CARDS ARE DEAD. Why? Because the cards MIGHT get confused. So both hands are now dead. UNLESS your hand was "protected" with a Card-Marker, or you had your hand on your two cards.
PROTECT YOUR HANDS AT ALL TIMES. It's your own fault if you don't.
Oh - & you might respectfully advise your TD to read up Roberts Rules of Poker, his "Ruling" was a complete nonsense!
I have never met a TD like this before - unbelivable, Im not even sure that I would like to meet a similar TD - rules are there for a reason and should always be obeyd - players make mistakes at times such as not protecting cards - its hard after playing 10 hours to remember everything lol!! But if I had forgotton to protect my cards at any time late in a tourney - I would not complain and certinally would not want the TD to give me half the pot - that is just embarassing - Kick yourself for not protecting them and then move on to the next hand!! Touch wood this has never happened to me, but now I have jinxed it aint I, by saying it has never happened to me - it will happen to me now - and guaranteed it will be during SPT in Luton lol!!
Note she's giving it all the histrionics, the "poor me", the "it ain't fair" nonsense - and it's 100% her fault. Not 98%, not 99%, the full monty, 100%. Because them's the Rules, & have been since Methusulah was a little boy. People need to grow up & learn to be accountable for their own mistakes.
It's like the debate we see on this Forum so often about Sky Poker that goes "I never knew the Terms & Conditions said that, because I never read them". And who's fault is that?
you think she would not need to protect her hand after saying all in ?
If the hand was not protected - as per little Miss Mardy-Bum here - then it's her own fault, so it's just too bad, & it's an easy Ruling for the TD.
The players soon learn, you only make that mistake once in your entire poker career!
Tran made it 32,000, & so although she said all-in" (for 110,000), she only got penalised for the "cal", not the Raise. So she got 78,000 back. Otherwise, it gets bizarre, because Tran might fold to the All-In, not realising what had happened, & then what would you do? - she can't win it, neither can he!
It was the perfect Ruling, in every way. IMO, of course.
You can spin this so many ways, but it's best to be safe - protect your hand at all times. It's the very first thing any Live Poker player learns.
Any ducking & diving, any "but this", "if that", "why the other?" is irrelevant if we protect our hand properly.
"Do you feel lucky, punk?" sorta thing.
it was your fault defo,just like when i was playing on thursday night at the casino,i had aa for the 4th time in about 20 hands and raised 4v times bb everyone folded so i chucked my cards face up into the middle,then the dealer says"i have'nt acted yet! opps!,he said i could take my raise back and he takes the rest but i said no as i shouldnt of been so stupid....(got to admit i was watching cobra on the big screen next to me at the time,a truly terrible film btw....)
Mucking aces because of COBRA, how could you man lol - Agreed by the way, Cobra Sucks
The same is also true when playing online - I always put both hands over my cards after I go All in...oh hang on, I don't use them to protect the hand - it's so that I can't see the fact that I just pushed All in with 73 0ff and I can imagine that it is in fact AA :S
Part 2 - Not really! They have to follow SOMEONE's "established" Rules, usually TDA or RROP. They cant just make up Rules, well not if they allude to running a proper poker Tourney. Anarchy does not rule yet, thank God!