Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE

StayOrGo

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Should I lay this down? Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance GODFATH100 Small blind   600.00 600.00 58379.01 HAYSIE Big blind   1200.00 1800.00 36313.32   Your hole cards A A       BADMANB8C Fold         PADSTER13 Fold         Wiked Fold         StayOrGo Raise   2400.00 4200.00 76817.25 GODFATH100 Fold         HAYSIE Call   1200.00 5400.00 35113.32 Flop     5 7 K       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   2700.00 8100.00 74117.25 HAYSIE Call   2700.00 10800.00 32413.32 Turn     3       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   5400.00 16200.00 68717.25 HAYSIE Raise   16200.00 32400.00 16213.32 StayOrGo Fold         HAYSIE Muck         HAYSIE Win   21600.00   37813.32 HAYSIE Return   10800.00 0.00 48613.32 Cheers, G
Posted by StayOrGo

NO!

StayOrGo

Should I have laid this down?

Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceGODFATH100Small blind 600.00600.0058379.01HAYSIEBig blind 1200.001800.0036313.32 Your hole cardsAA   BADMANB8CFold    PADSTER13Fold    WikedFold    StayOrGoRaise 2400.004200.0076817.25GODFATH100Fold    HAYSIECall 1200.005400.0035113.32Flop  57K   HAYSIECheck    StayOrGoBet 2700.008100.0074117.25HAYSIECall 2700.0010800.0032413.32Turn  3   HAYSIECheck    StayOrGoBet 5400.0016200.0068717.25HAYSIERaise 16200.0032400.0016213.32StayOrGoFold    HAYSIEMuck    HAYSIEWin 21600.00 37813.32HAYSIEReturn 10800.000.0048613.32

Cheers,

G

StayOrGo

Would be interested to hear Haysie's thoughts

StayOrGo

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Posted by ajmilton

LOL, AJ, short and sweet opinion. :=)

ajmilton

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Would be interested to hear Haysie's thoughts
Posted by StayOrGo

Haysie, would say "lay it down" :-)

gerardirl

Looks like Haysie got two pair, as hard and all as it is to fold I'd say you made the right call.

I dont know Haysie though so Im sure you would have a better read on what he is likely to have when playing like that.

Ger

unknown_username

interesting as this is sort of mess i get myself in. me i jam on his butt in this spot on that board praying he not got a set of 3s or 64 of diamonds.

im thinking he bluffing here mate but you still got a decent stack. not easy thats for certain

markycash

I think I am checking the turn in this spot in the hope of getting some river action. 

If Haysie has a couple of broadway cards he has at best top pair and could also have a lot of combos which completely missed. Therefore I wouldn't be too worried about losing turn value to hopefully extract value on the river (either from opponent reacting to your turn check by bluffing river or by it going check/bet/call on the river if opponent has any showdown value).

The same can be said for a lot of pocket pairs which haven't found a set, the turn check may set you up to extract value on the river.

While we may be losing a street of value by checking the turn we could equally be gaining a street of action if opponent was floating the flop and has air. 

If Haysie has found a set then the turn check also controls the pot a bit.

Also by checking the turn you may get a more solid read on what opponent has by his reaction on the river. If bet sizing or history between you make you think there is weakness on river or you have opponent on a top pair type hand you would have the option of reraising to extract maximum value still.

Edit: just realised I didn't actually answer the question and offered a lot of thoughts which were not asked for and may seem irrelevant. Apologies for this, wasn't the intention. For me the turn is just where it all gets so difficult, hence the ramblings above.

As played I think it is really difficult to know where you are and just boils down to a read on opponent or the history between you both.

Jac35

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Looks like Haysie got two pair, as hard and all as it is to fold I'd say you made the right call. I dont know Haysie though so Im sure you would have a better read on what he is likely to have when playing like that. Ger
Posted by gerardirl

What kind of 2 pair combos do you see Haysie having here having called the pre flop raise?

markycash

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In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : What kind of 2 pair combos do you see Haysie having here having called the pre flop raise?
Posted by Jac35

+1

Looks like air/top pair or a set

I guess there are some possible 2 pair combos but not many.

gerardirl

Haysie had a pair of feet and a pair of hands .

Ger

hhyftrftdr

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Haysie had a pair of feet and a pair of hands . Ger
Posted by gerardirl

Post of the year.

Tricky spot, tough to lay down but if you're beat you're probs in a coffin. Think a fold is good overall, though might talk myself into thinking 56dd or similar and go with it.

Then hate myself.

rabdeniro

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Should I have laid this down? Hand History #1177688243 (23:12 30/06/2017) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance GODFATH100 Small blind   600.00 600.00 58379.01 HAYSIE Big blind   1200.00 1800.00 36313.32   Your hole cards A A       BADMANB8C Fold         PADSTER13 Fold         Wiked Fold         StayOrGo Raise   2400.00 4200.00 76817.25 GODFATH100 Fold         HAYSIE Call   1200.00 5400.00 35113.32 Flop     5 7 K       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   2700.00 8100.00 74117.25 HAYSIE Call   2700.00 10800.00 32413.32 Turn     3       HAYSIE Check         StayOrGo Bet   5400.00 16200.00 68717.25 HAYSIE Raise   16200.00 32400.00 16213.32 StayOrGo Fold         HAYSIE Muck         HAYSIE Win   21600.00   37813.32 HAYSIE Return   10800.00 0.00 48613.32 Cheers, G
Posted by StayOrGo

No

_kagawa_

Haysie's had pocket 7s, 

aussie09

the computer says no.

;-)

darrentino

Did you go on to run deep in the tourney? if so, then it was a good fold. If you went out not long after in a marginal spot then it was a bad fold. Personally i think i'd just go with it most of the time, a lot of the time it would depend on how many big blinds you'd have left if you find the fold also.

Enut

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I think I am checking the turn in this spot in the hope of getting some river action.  If Haysie has a couple of broadway cards he has at best top pair and could also have a lot of combos which completely missed. Therefore I wouldn't be too worried about losing turn value to hopefully extract value on the river (either from opponent reacting to your turn check by bluffing river or by it going check/bet/call on the river if opponent has any showdown value). The same can be said for a lot of pocket pairs which haven't found a set, the turn check may set you up to extract value on the river. While we may be losing a street of value by checking the turn we could equally be gaining a street of action if opponent was floating the flop and has air.  If Haysie has found a set then the turn check also controls the pot a bit. Also by checking the turn you may get a more solid read on what opponent has by his reaction on the river. If bet sizing or history between you make you think there is weakness on river or you have opponent on a top pair type hand you would have the option of reraising to extract maximum value still. Edit: just realised I didn't actually answer the question and offered a lot of thoughts which were not asked for and may seem irrelevant. Apologies for this, wasn't the intention. For me the turn is just where it all gets so difficult, hence the ramblings above. As played I think it is really difficult to know where you are and just boils down to a read on opponent or the history between you both.
Posted by markycash

Excellent post and love the fact that you realised you hadn't answered the original question so added the last bit .....and still didn't answer the question! Like many university graduates you showed a wonderful ability to turn a one word answer into a thesis, love it. (absolutely not trolling, just having a laugh as I'm sure you'll appreciate before anyone slates me).

My opinion? Fold. I expect him to beat my one pair 90% of the time here, almost certainly a set. 

rainman215

Good morning all.

I have never folded Aces in my life, hence why i am a losing player.

All the best.

P.S HAS ANYONE MENTIONED THE £2.20 @ 2.15 DEEPSTACK YET. 

markycash

In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE:

In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : Excellent post and love the fact that you realised you hadn't answered the original question so added the last bit .....and still didn't answer the question! Like many university graduates you showed a wonderful ability to turn a one word answer into a thesis, love it. (absolutely not trolling, just having a laugh as I'm sure you'll appreciate before anyone slates me). My opinion? Fold. I expect him to beat my one pair 90% of the time here, almost certainly a set. 
Posted by Enut

Thanks, I think? lol

Yeah I have to admit it, I can be full of sh%% sometimes!

HENDRIK62

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In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : Thanks, I think? lol Yeah I have to admit it, I can be full of sh%% sometimes!
Posted by markycash

I call.......;-)

markycash

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In Response to Re: Should I lay this down? Today's Main Event. Hand V HAYSIE : I call.......;-)
Posted by HENDRIK62

Fair point, Paul :-P

Tikay10

RAISE

MattBates

Call and do an ace on the river

memfno

I jam

He calls with 2 pair with his K rag.

River counterfeits his two pair

You win pot

You read abuse in chat box !

You reply thats what you get for calling a preflop raise with K rag !

chiggypig

Well I'd never be folding here against someone who is not a nit *cough haysie cough* , you're so far up in your range and will surely be overfolding if you fold this hand.