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KJ/KQ and donks
So, recently i've been playin a few bounty hunter tournaments and it seems i ALWAYS go out to some1 with KJ/KQ suited and i've got nothing wrong with that. My problem is that i always get it in preflop with something like a pocket pair 99 or better, (oh yea should mention its also normaly battle of the blinds or button vs blinds). So its normaly at worst ~55% in my favour to win the hand which granted is a flip, but i'd take it. But what really annoys me is that the other guy calls off 90/95% of their stack with K high!!! Why or why do people do this!? If we're both short stacked then fair enough, but if we're both got decent stacks say 50BBs then why call off 90% of your stack with K high!! Just don't do it, in the long run you will lose lots and lots of money, you're loseing to 22 or dominated by AQ/AK.
anyway, rant over.
Post in this thread with how you play hands like KJ/KQ and your thoughts on these types of hands.
*EDIT*
Forgot to mention that granted in a bounty tourny people call for the £5 on your head, but why? More value (normaly) in winning the tourny instead of maybe taking a few people out
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As for KQ/KJ in a normal tournament, if there was an all-in before me, last to act, I would call up to 20% of my stack off with KQ, I'd consider folding the KJ unless I had chips committed in the blinds and it was only about 10-15% of my stack. Obviously late in a tournament I'd call a lot more, maybe over 50% depending on the situation and obviously depending on what I put my opponent on.
Hi Bunny.
So, you keep getting your money is as 55% favourite, & have lost a goodly few? Worry not. Keep getting it in as a 55% shot with every hand, for the rest of your life, & you'll be a BIG winner at the game. You will! And don't regard those scraggy callers as "donks" - you WANT these guys to keep calling. Bad Calls by others are good calls for us. Best to keep them sweet, be nice to them. They are the source of your Profit. Don't bite the hand that feeds us!
Happy hunting.
At desperate times in tournaments when blinds are big etc then of course it is reasonable to put your money in but it isn't that difficult to find better spots in cash or early blind levels.
No need to be a shove donkey.
My Post may have been badly worded, sorry, or misunderstood, there.
I'm saying it is fine to get your money in FIRST with that sorta hand, & if it turns out to be a 55% shot, that's fine and dandy. When we get our money in first, we have no control over what happens after that.
But CALLING with what we THINK might be 55% shots. No way, Jose! If we are wrong about our oppos holding 20% of the time, our 55% suddenly shrinks.
K-Q & K-J are big -ev hands, because you are, in so many cases, going to be dominated by AK, AQ, & AJ. It has to be an exceptional & specific situation for me to even consider calling with such hands.
I'm happy to jam with those hands in many situations. My default setting is that I'd rather jam with 7-8 than Call with K-J.
7-8 might only be 40-60 against a wide range of hands, but if I can force my oppo to fold 50% of the time, I'm a reasonable favourite now......!
Getting the money in first is key. I'd rather stick it in with 78 then A rag also, less chance of being dominated and as you know you can shove with far weaker than you can call with.
Shoving in position is necessary in tournaments, what I was referring to more was that I'd rather commit my money on "safe flops" rather than pre-flop where you are likely to get your money in in better shape. However obviously in tourneys with fast blinds structures this is not possible.
The difference between CALLING & BETTING is so fundamental, but that's the one area that players really seem to struggle with most.
Look, the thing about bounty hunter tourneys is that the decision to call is less related to card holdings and much more to chip stack sizes. In a conventional tourney, the financial reward is primarily based upon longevity in the tourney. In BH there is potential financial reward, if you are the larger stack, in calling. Now if you are in a coinflip situation, or imagine that you are, and you're a 45% dog, this means that you get financially rewarded for making that call 45% of the time. Whilst the financia profit is small, combined with an ever imncreasing stack it adds up. My view is that if you shove against larger stacks expect at least one caller. Also expevt calls from people who believe their cards to be "live" for the same reason. The bottom line is that in BH be careful before shoving as you will be called.
But I find it amazing how often people will pay an £11 entry fee, then risk their entire tournament to win a £3.75 bounty on a pair of 3's.
How often do you see a small stack forced to go all-in, then other stacks kill each other to win that one bounty?
I totally understand what Tikay is saying in a previous post about "not biting the hand that feeds us". I `m in agreement with it whole heartedly but, whatever tournament I go in I always get someone calling when they shouldnt, ending up with me busting out. Hence the Headline title. I played a small £30 GTD (I know ur thinking "why are you ranting"). I`m in late position with BIG SLICK. Everyones folded round to me. I push because its the only decent hand i`ve had in half an hour. The two people behind fold which just leaves the BB. He calls. Shows J8 suited. Hits his flush. I know that it1s "jus poker", but I am allowed to be annoyed right?
Especially when it seems to happen to me all the time. No sympathy required. Just needed to rant.
In my opinion, people lose more money in the reaction to the bad beat than the bad beat itself. Shrug it off.
PS: Hope it wasn't me who called with the J8! If it was I must have had a MASSIVE stack.