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Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet

99% of the time if I've called a pre flop raise I will check to the original raiser after the flop (there are rare occasions when I'll lead out instead but that's veryoppo dependant).

I came along for the ride here simply because it's early doors & still cheap. I also know that if I do hit I can potentially take down a big pot (fwiw, this is 1st level in a £3.30 DYM).

When the flop comes & I hit my set my intention is to check raise as I'm fairly certain the board's hit the original raiser & even if it hasn't I'm 99% certain that he's gonna bet out anyway. However, with the SB leading out it kinda threw me a bit here. I'm pretty sure I'm ahead here but with the SB leading out & showing some interest in the pot I'm not really sure what to do for the best. I certainly ain't going anywhere but if I flat then I run the risk of the original raiser also flatting and potentially letting someone in on a draw cheaply. If I re-raise does that make me a bigger donk?

What does anyone else do here?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Villain  Small blind  10.00 10.00 1830.00
silentbob Big blind  20.00 30.00 1880.00
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • 3
     
Original raiser Raise  80.00 110.00 2290.00
------- Fold     
-------Call  80.00 190.00 1830.00
------- Fold     
Villain Call  70.00 260.00 1760.00
silentbob Call  60.00 320.00 1820.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • Q
  • 3
     
Villain Bet  160.00 480.00 1600.00
silentbob ????  ---------------------

Comments

  • edited March 2010
    raise, why would raising make you a donk? dont do what most donks do and get 20 chips for their flopped set by slow playing it to a stand still. PLAY YOUR BIG HANDS STRONG. You will get paid off dont worry about that.
  • edited March 2010
    I think there are benefits to flat calling here aswell, the sb has lead out but wasn't the original preflop raiser, there is a good chance if we call it could be raised behind us allowing us to trap more people and money in the pot. 
  • edited March 2010
    I'm definitely raising here! It's draw heavy board so there's tons of cards on turn that I don't want to see (outdrawing me or kill my action) so I want to get chips in the middle now - if anyone's holding KK/QQ then good luck to them but anyone with nut flush/straight draws are going to pay to continue in the hand!
  • edited March 2010
    could easily get it in against KQ here
  • edited March 2010

    hi there. tbh it would play this hand as stong as possible, yes the donk may call and hit there flush if they have 2 spades but over time you will come out on top. plus some of the time you will pair the board ie full house and the donk wont even see that all tey see is 5 spades and u take the lot.

    play stong and u will prosper

  • edited March 2010
    i meant the k spaces on the turn. the donk wouls auto allin as they do  and bang chips are yours
  • edited March 2010

    i was playing in the £22 b/h i think it was 10.45 start the other night and there was 1 guy who had been raising every hand. he had been lucky and in the first 15 mins he had taken 3 heads. i had aq diamonds i blind were 50/100 and i raised to 300 he called  as he had been doing all the time. the flop can 2 3 9 of diamonds. i check. bair in mind the pots only about 750, i check he goes allin for approx 5000 chips i have about 5800 so its an instant call. he had j6 of spades  so not only did i knoch him out i got a good bounty on top, i finished 4th that night but it just goes to show that over time if you wait for yuor hand and everyone knows it when they got it thats the time to push and reap the rewards.

    def raise and if they fold ohh well wait for the next hand

  • edited March 2010
    how can you think re raising makes you a donk? so many draws out there, bump the pot up and make them pay for their draws.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    how can you think re raising makes you a donk? so many draws out there, bump the pot up and make them pay for their draws.
    Posted by NColley
    erm am actually flat calling here..

    he has bet 160....

    bit funny bet size...

    i want to see next card before i go shoving more...

    i mean you going to need to know what his next move will be..

    maybe he has kk
    or qq
    or even kq
    but if a flush completes where u at?

    regards
    toby
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet : erm am actually flat calling here.. he has bet 160.... bit funny bet size... i want to see next card before i go shoving more... i mean you going to need to know what his next move will be.. maybe he has kk or qq or even kq but if a flush completes where u at? regards toby
    Posted by djblacke04
    you joking? your scared when you have a set??? Id happily get it all in on this flop. If the flush completes then you can get away obviously... if the money is already in and flush completes then its a bad beat so it dont really matter... and if he has KQ you have him crushed.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet : erm am actually flat calling here.. he has bet 160.... bit funny bet size... i want to see next card before i go shoving more... i mean you going to need to know what his next move will be.. maybe he has kk or qq or even kq but if a flush completes where u at? regards toby
    Posted by djblacke04
    If he has KK or QQ so be it.. why give good odds to players in a multi way pot? I assume the guys playing 33 to hit his set which is has done.. now its time to get some chips into the pot.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet : erm am actually flat calling here.. he has bet 160.... bit funny bet size... i want to see next card before i go shoving more... i mean you going to need to know what his next move will be.. maybe he has kk or qq or even kq but if a flush completes where u at? regards toby
    Posted by djblacke04
    More reason to get money in the middle! If flush/straight comes, then fair do's but it's going to cost them to hit it - I'm ahead here (too tight if you think you're not) so let's cash in and force them to make wrong decision by calling with draws/top pair! I want to be instigating the next move, not him so calling and letting him potentially outplay me on the turn isn't going to happen...
  • edited March 2010
    Thanks for the thoughts. TBH, the whole "donk" thing came about in my head cos so many people go on about it but that's not really the point here. My biggest dilemma was trying to balance the risk/reward thing with flatting or raising.

    As it is I decided to raise & this is what happened. Although the original raiser called I got the feeling that he didn't particularly like it & basically confirmed to me that I was ahead. For me, the turn was the easiest play I'll ever make.
    Flop
       
    • K
    • Q
    • 3
         
    Villain Bet  160.00 480.00 1600.00
    silentbob Raise  550.00 1030.00 1270.00
    Original Raiser Call  550.00 1580.00 1740.00
    ------- Fold     
    Villain Call  390.00 1970.00 1210.00
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    Villain Check     
    silentbob All-in  1270.00 3240.00 0.00
    Original Raiser Call  1270.00 4510.00 470.00
    Villain Fold     
    silentbob Show
    • 3
    • 3
       
    Original Raiser Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    River
       
    • 4
         
    silentbob Win Three 3s 4510.00  4510.00
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    Thanks for the thoughts. TBH, the whole "donk" thing came about in my head cos so many people go on about it but that's not really the point here. My biggest dilemma was trying to balance the risk/reward thing with flatting or raising. As it is I decided to raise & this is what happened. Although the original raiser called I got the feeling that he didn't particularly like it & basically confirmed to me that I was ahead. For me, the turn was the easiest play I'll ever make. Flop     K Q 3       Villain  Bet   160.00 480.00 1600.00 silentbob Raise   550.00 1030.00 1270.00 Original Raiser  Call   550.00 1580.00 1740.00 -------  Fold         Villain  Call   390.00 1970.00 1210.00 Turn     2       Villain  Check         silentbob All-in   1270.00 3240.00 0.00 Original Raiser  Call   1270.00 4510.00 470.00 Villain  Fold         silentbob Show 3 3       Original Raiser  Show Q A       River     4       silentbob Win Three 3s 4510.00   4510.00
    Posted by silentbob


    You were very lucky to get paid. Make a note on the AQ that they don't understand DYM's lol.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet : You were very lucky to get paid. Make a note on the AQ that they don't understand DYM's lol.
    Posted by beaneh
    Would you have flatted in the hope that they raise behind you then? What happens if they just flat you there & a 3rd spade comes out on the turn? Do you still think you're ahead then?

    If they both fold & I pick up the pot there & then, then I'm quite happy with that given the board. 
  • edited March 2010
    Yeah well played mate...done exactly what was needed there I think. The SB probably had a Q and wanted to see where he was. Really suprised that AQ can call that all the way though...bad play.

    Nice.
  • edited March 2010

    In my opinion you were quite lucky here to get paid off, if it was me i would of just flat called the donk bet and let the orginal raiser come over the top, obviously the donk should fold and then you are free to get all your chips in the middle! obviously its a wet board but your all in move should of killed the action so why he called with AQ is beyond me lol you were lucky to get as many chips as you did playing it this way...

  • edited March 2010
    just read through the whole post properly and i can see somebody else suggested playin it the same as i would and u asked the question 'what if the raiser just flat calls, and another spade comes?' ... to be honest if it did turn out that way and they are still gettin busy with it then you would have to lay the hand down! although your hand does also have a good chance of improvin also if the board pairs! however the board is draw heavy and im sure the original raiser probably hates it as much as you do so thats why there is every chance he will be re-raisin here after seein a donk bet and a call obviously then allowing you to go back over the top!  
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    just read through the whole post properly and i can see somebody else suggested playin it the same as i would and u asked the question 'what if the raiser just flat calls, and another spade comes?' ... to be honest if it did turn out that way and they are still gettin busy with it then you would have to lay the hand down! although your hand does also have a good chance of improvin also if the board pairs! however the board is draw heavy and im sure the original raiser probably hates it as much as you do so thats why there is every chance he will be re-raisin here after seein a donk bet and a call obviously then allowing you to go back over the top!  
    Posted by Eagle26
    Fair enough, that actually does make sense when you explain it like that. However, would you really feel happy about throwing away a strong hand when you had the chance to take down a pot sooner or am I really just being too picky?
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet : Would you have flatted in the hope that they raise behind you then? What happens if they just flat you there & a 3rd spade comes out on the turn? Do you still think you're ahead then? If they both fold & I pick up the pot there & then, then I'm quite happy with that given the board. 
    Posted by silentbob

    If the 3rd spade comes out we still fill up ~25% of the time; our hand isn't by any means dead.
  • edited March 2010
    raise flop > calling
  • edited March 2010
    For you people who dont know what a donk-bet is..................its basicaly when you raise pre-flop and a player thats out of position calls and then when the flop comes the out of position player bets into you making it a donk-bet. Its not such a bad play it just beg's the question "if you had a strong hand would you not let the pre-flop raiser do the betting for you". 
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    For you people who dont know what a donk-bet is..................its basicaly when you raise pre-flop and a player thats out of position calls and then when the flop comes the out of position player bets into you making it a donk-bet . Its not such a bad play it just beg's the question "if you had a strong hand would you not let the pre-flop raiser do the betting for you". 
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    vs certain people who won't C bet the majority of the time I think its fine to bet into the agressor pre.
  • edited March 2010
    In Response to Re: Flopped set on a wet board facing a "donk" bet:
    For you people who dont know what a donk-bet is..................its basicaly when you raise pre-flop and a player thats out of position calls and then when the flop comes the out of position player bets into you making it a donk-bet . Its not such a bad play it just beg's the question "if you had a strong hand would you not let the pre-flop raiser do the betting for you". 
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    I must be a Donk then lol, i often call out of the SB with not always an awesome hand but usually a reasonable one and if i hit big or sometimes not at all i make a bet like this, making the origional raiser think and if his big ace has missed they fold usually.

    Differnt way of playing i guess.


    Anyway, to the origional poster, as far as i have read im playing this in a similar fasion, however my raise would always be standard double their bet (just a style i play) i bluff the same way so as a result when im bluffing i am not losing too much and when im not i usually get paid. Simple. I am not going all in on the turn, unless he had KK or QQ i still want him to catch his second pair or his trips (which would of coarse give you that sensationaly well hidden full house)
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