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Manipulitating The Sky Poker League + league Feedback

edited July 2009 in Poker Chat
OK, must of you know me, very rarely moan!!!
But we are going to have to do something about these little turbocharged stt tourneys, for a 2.10 entry u can play heads up for a 4 pound prize pool.  Best thing is, the winner gets 8 league points, the looser gets 6. So, in theory, a poor loosing player could win the league.
1 player has been playing em like mad, and over night racked up, 400+ league points, now thats not fair, me and antz, have been working hard playing dyms to stay up top, these tourney are russian roulettes with both players getting paid,


SKY PLEASE DO SOMETHING ASAP


or the incentive to try and win the league has gone



regrds


Steve      Budgirl
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  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    OK, must of you know me, very rarely moan!!! But we are going to have to do something about these little turbocharged stt tourneys, for a 2.10 entry u can play heads up for a 4 pound prize pool.  Best thing is, the winner gets 8 league points, the looser gets 6. So, in theory, a poor loosing player could win the league. 1 player has been playing em like mad, and over night racked up, 400+ league points, now thats not fair, me and antz, have been working hard playing dyms to stay up top, these tourney are russian roulettes with both players getting paid, SKY PLEASE DO SOMETHING ASAP or the incentive to try and win the league has gone regrds Steve      Budgirl
    Posted by budgirl
    Hi Steve,

    I agree that in a HU game it seems a big silly for 2nd to get League points. These should only go 1st place really.

    Gl at the tables m8

    Greg
  • edited July 2009

    i agree that both players shouldnt get the points , should only be a the winner. it is abit like russian roulette comps getting poker points. but i do like the new supercharged heads up tourneys! why dont you play in them yourself budgirl?? they not gonna change the point structure now, not this month anyway , they all ready stated giving points for these supercharged tourneys so cant stop now. i can see your point though

  • edited July 2009
    Look at my post under community suggestions, called "changes to league??" I have made the same point but based on MTTs
  • edited July 2009
    Lol, I take it you mean ckd.

    He has played 150 odd in under a few days.

    If he wins 50% and loses 50%, at the £2 games he plays thats an av of 7 points a time( 8 for 1st/ 6 for 2nd ).

    He is going to walk the stt league table every month.

    I agree it is an absolute joke and nothing but a cynical attempt by sky to increase the amount of rake they get.

    A very similar thing operates in the mtt tourneys. Eg, every player that enters the NLH freezeouts is guaranteed points by virtue of the fact that virtually no-one enters them.

  • edited July 2009
    i agree 100%! for the heads to games it should be winner takes all. in the rest of the games i like the spread of points.
  • edited July 2009
    Nice to see a couple of agreements, took me nearly three weeks to rack up 1600 points, ckd done a thousand in 24 hours,

    i give up on this months league  LOL

    thanks guys
  • edited July 2009
    lmao, ckd has a 1000 point lead now for stts.

    I think he was 5th 2 days ago.

    I bet in a weeks time his lead is about 4000 at least lol.
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    Nice to see a couple of agreements, took me nearly three weeks to rack up 1600 points, ckd done a thousand in 24 hours, i give up on this months league  LOL thanks guys
    Posted by budgirl
    I feel for you budgirl.

    You play an awful, awful lot on here and had a good little lead up until this last few days, and in the space of literally hours, it has gone.

    Terrible imo.
  • edited July 2009

    Hi,

    Firstly, thank you for your feedback, it's great to get your views on Sky Poker.

    Based on your feedback I have reviewed the awarding of league points for 2 player HU play, and as from today no league points will be awarded on any 2 player HU table. Obviously any that have already been awarded will have to stand for this month's league.

    Kind regards,

    Bernie

  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    Hi, Firstly, thank you for your feedback, it's great to get your views on Sky Poker. Based on your feedback I have reviewed the awarding of league points for 2 player HU play, and as from today no league points will be awarded on any 2 player HU table. Obviously any that have already been awarded will have to stand for this month's league. Kind regards, Bernie
    Posted by Sky_Bernie
    Ok First of all , I totally agree that league points should not be offered for 2nd position in a heads up tournament. However I strongly disagree that league points will now not be offered to any Heads up play for the winner, regardless of the structure.
    This means regardless of your ability, if you choose to play HU either in cash or in a tournament no league points are awarded. How is this Fair?  If you are a stong HU player  and prefer to play HU either in cash or in a tournament this means you will rarely if at all ever be part of the league?  So are sky putting forward that players who only play ring games will only be awarded League points? I personally think this is absolutely ridiculas, and really think this needs to be looked at!
    I also challenge anyone who comes forward with the ridiculas concept of saying that we can chose to play other games that offer league points, rather than Heads Up play, Because in no way should we be punished for playing HU as in my opinion it entails as much if not more skill than ring games!
    From a very dissatisfied customer.
  • edited July 2009
    I agree with sharksbite to an extent.

    However, I have watched about 30 of these new turbocharged games, and it is most definately NOT poker.

    Most of the time its all in with any two, and they last 3 mins on average.

    I do believe that points should be awarded for regular heads up games however.
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    I agree with sharksbite to an extent. However, I have watched about 30 of these new turbocharged games, and it is most definately NOT poker. Most of the time its all in with any two, and they last 3 mins on average. I do believe that points should be awarded for regular heads up games however.
    Posted by michael900
    I disagree I have played 20 of these this morning at £21.00 level and have won 15 of them there is definatley more skill involved than luck just as in any other HU tournament if you are a stong enough player...It shouldnt matter whether it is a slow or a fast structure league points should still be offered to the winner at this level and again I challenge anyone who says these structures i.e the "turbocharged" are more luck than skill..come play me for 10 or so games then tell me its luck!
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League : I disagree I have played 20 of these this morning at £21.00 level and have won 15 of them there is definatley more skill involved than luck just as in any other HU tournament if you are a stong enough player...It shouldnt matter whether it is a slow or a fast structure league points should still be offered to the winner at this level and again I challenge anyone who says these structures i.e the "turbocharged" are more luck than skill..come play me for 10 or so games then tell me its luck!
    Posted by Sharksbite
    Meoww Naomi!! ;-)

     I must say i was not wanting to go HU vs you in the deepstack lastnight. Sad you busted out, 3rd but happy in a way ;-)
     
     Take care
  • edited July 2009
    Mr Sky Bernie, where are you :) Id appreciate a response to this, as this is an important issue to myself and im sure to any other HU players on this site. Cash or Tournaments.
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League : Meoww Naomi!! ;-)  I must say i was not wanting to go HU vs you in the deepstack lastnight. Sad you busted out, 3rd but happy in a way ;-)    Take care
    Posted by FlashFlush[/QUOT

    Hi Mate..Ah your to kind lol, very well done you, thats 3 in a row right? well played, I may have a stab at it again this evening.
  • edited July 2009
    I am of the same opionion as Sharksbite. Not to award league points in any variation of HU tourney is beyond a joke.  I'm still very curious as to WHY league points are not awarded in any form of HU cash game.  HU IMO is a very skillful art of the game and we as players should be rewarded with points. Can sky not set up say another league to run along side STT, MTT and cash games, HU should be rewarded as do all the others.
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League : I disagree I have played 20 of these this morning at £21.00 level and have won 15 of them there is definatley more skill involved than luck just as in any other HU tournament if you are a stong enough player...It shouldnt matter whether it is a slow or a fast structure league points should still be offered to the winner at this level and again I challenge anyone who says these structures i.e the "turbocharged" are more luck than skill..come play me for 10 or so games then tell me its luck!
    Posted by Sharksbite
    Hmm, well I guess at that stake people would generally be taking them seriously.

    I watched the 2.10/ 5.25 games and the play was an utter joke. You will have to take my word on it. There is very little skill in games that last, almost always, in under 3 mins. Which is what I observed.

    Maybe just a few points could be awarded at that level, and more as the stakes increase.

  • edited July 2009

    this is not a new issue to sky...i have emailed them on several occasions asking them to make changes to their heads up settings.

    i play a lot of heads up on other sites but rarely play it on this site.  it is a disgrace that heads up players are not rewarded in any way towards the league.  there are more hands per hour heads up so therefore more rake per hour so why should heads up players not gain points towards the league?

    maybe this forum will mean they stop ignoring the issue

  • edited July 2009
    Yes, and at the same time sort out the mtt points farce.

    As I keep saying, everyone who enters the NLH freezeout games gets points as no-one plays them.

    Hardly fair on those who battle their way through maybe 60 entrants to finish 6th, and then pick up no league points!

    Imo, its a cynical, unfair way of encouraging people to enter the unpopular NLH freezeouts.

    There are two particular players that are always at the very top of the mtt league because of this.

    Nice for them to pick up that undeserved monthly bonus all the time eh?
  • edited July 2009

      I cant believe it, your all moaning about something that's being given to you as a FREEROLL    .think yourselves lucky you   have the time to play here all day and night.

    If i could change anything on here it would be to close this Free roll and put it toward a tournament as an Added Bonus for anyone to enter !!

    benny




  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
      I cant believe it, your all moaning about something that's being given to you as a FREEROLL    .think yourselves lucky you   have the time to play here all day and night. If i could change anything on here it would be to close this Free roll and put it toward a tournament as an Added Bonus for anyone to enter !! benny
    Posted by bennydip2
    Bennydip, you are totally missing the point.
    Regardless of whether or not the league is a freeroll, the way the points are disributed, should be fair for all players.
    Tournament/Cash Players, HU/Ring players.
    And as for "lucky you have the time to play here all day and night"  some actually regard poker as a source of income and indeed see it as any other job, that is a very ignorant thing to say, not everyone plays for recreation or fun, although, yes, everyone does have the choice.
  • edited July 2009
    All those annoyed about the MTT points problem we have please visit my thread under community suggestions its called "changes to the league??" show it some love and then something might be done
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    All those annoyed about the MTT points problem we have please visit my thread under community suggestions its called "changes to the league??" show it some love and then something might be done
    Posted by FlashFlush
    I Think as a whole, the League needs to be reviewed, in all areas...I will come and have a read of your thread now:)
  • edited July 2009


    Sharksbite ..believe me... I  played LIVE poker for a living   from 1991 -2003 around 12 years in total .
    Traveled the world and loved every minuet....

    Ive also known alot of people who think they can make a living online playing 12 to 18 hours a day ... at the end of a year the best ones made around 5k and never moved outside their front door -- sad -- what a way to live  ?..    

    But you carry on trying to grind out a living online, i'll carry on playing for fun . !!

    glk  Over time, i think your going to need it ..   :)
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    Sharksbite ..believe me... I  played LIVE poker for a living   from 1991 -2003 around 12 years in total . Traveled the world and loved every minuet.... Ive also known alot of people who think they can make a living online playing 12 to 18 hours a day ... at the end of a year the best ones made around 5k and never moved outside their front door -- sad -- what a way to live  ?..     But you carry on trying to grind out a living online, i'll carry on playing for fun . !! glk  Over time, i think your going to need it ..   :)
    Posted by bennydip2
    Right ok, very constructive comments, well done you! like I said ignorance, but you carry on and live in your own dream world of thinking that even the very best online players can only make 5k per annum.
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    Sharksbite ..believe me... I  played LIVE poker for a living   from 1991 -2003 around 12 years in total . Traveled the world and loved every minuet.... Ive also known alot of people who think they can make a living online playing 12 to 18 hours a day ... at the end of a year the best ones made around 5k and never moved outside their front door -- sad -- what a way to live  ?..     But you carry on trying to grind out a living online, i'll carry on playing for fun . !! glk  Over time, i think your going to need it ..   :)
    Posted by bennydip2
    Maybe for some benny, but with an ROI of   -21%   i can see why you struggle.... ok you may be more of a cash player, but looking at your stats if it wasnt for your win in the primo (which well done for) you would be minus almost 3k over 1000 games... not the stats you want if you are a 12 yr pro.....
  • edited July 2009
    In Response to Re: Manipulitating The Sky Poker League:
    Sharksbite ..believe me... I  played LIVE poker for a living   from 1991 -2003 around 12 years in total . Traveled the world and loved every minuet.... Ive also known alot of people who think they can make a living online playing 12 to 18 hours a day ... at the end of a year the best ones made around 5k and never moved outside their front door -- sad -- what a way to live  ?..     But you carry on trying to grind out a living online, i'll carry on playing for fun . !! glk  Over time, i think your going to need it ..   :)
    Posted by bennydip2
    Sorry mate that 5k a year mark is worst comment i ever seen the best internet players ie durrr ivey antionius galfond make millions even normal people would beat 5k a year that if you think best players only make £416 a month you have a lot to learn my friend average players beat that by a comfatable distance.
  • edited July 2009
    You guys  are cracking me up ... This is not the only site i play  .. and  not the only alias i play under .. check all you want on shark-scope and make all the notes on players  you like..
    However if you want a game of Hi Lo stud or Hi/lo Omaha, or  7 card stud  pot limit or limit  let  me know i'll be there :)

     Off course some people make a living online,   around .005% !!!  
     Tell me you've made a nice living at online poker in 5  years time .... you wont,  because they'll be a new generation of 'wanna bee's like you..
     And name me some players British, who were around the online game 5 years ago and are still here today  ?? ,
     i could but not many ..  !!
    Still you Pro's in the "league' carry on looking for your Free-roll hand-outs and crying cos the points aren't fair..
    boo boo sob sob

    glk benny
  • edited July 2009
      Ohh  the silence is deafening !!  In fact you could hear an Angel fly over now  !!





    !!
  • edited July 2009
    Yo benny that was my first post on this thread i don't play league games or freerolls etc and havent once commented on that if you check on this thread.I just wanted to point out that you were wrong that the best online players make 5k a year plus you don't do yourself any favours trying to make players like sharksbite look  stupid she is a far better player than you will ever be and she would easily make more than treble than 5k a year playing poker i would bet my car on that lol.
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