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Genius or Donk? need advice tk,nutter,dan,glitter,et,al
so im in a live £20 double chance game and sat about 10th of 19 and 9 get paid,but 9 to 5 is quite low money,1st prize is £750 and usually it ends in a 3 way chop for about £400,anyways...
i raise 1 off the button with 98 off 2 1/2 times blind which are at 200/400
two folds then bb reraises to 3k and i call
flop is q 9 4 he checks i put in 2500 he calls
turn is 6 he checks i bet 5k he calls
river is 8 i hit two pair he bets 6k and i have 10k left so go all in
and he shows qq and im out
was this absolutely donk play?
would you of put him on a set?(something i always struggle with)
how would you of played each street differently
cheers,dave
i raise 1 off the button with 98 off 2 1/2 times blind which are at 200/400
two folds then bb reraises to 3k and i call
flop is q 9 4 he checks i put in 2500 he calls
turn is 6 he checks i bet 5k he calls
river is 8 i hit two pair he bets 6k and i have 10k left so go all in
and he shows qq and im out
was this absolutely donk play?
would you of put him on a set?(something i always struggle with)
how would you of played each street differently
cheers,dave
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a genius would never play an hand as bad as that davey.
i assume your raising with 98 to try and take the pot down pre flop, after you get re raised you just chuck them away, simple as that. he calls your bet of 2500 after flop so that for me would send out big fat red warning signals!! he checks the turn and you again decide to bet, he flat calls you and at this point i am slightly worried that i am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind, when he bets on the river you probably know you have lost but dont believe the bloke so chuck your last chips away anyway.
defo a donk play
better luck next time
Why are you raising 98 off in the cut off 2 1/2 times the big blind?
I'm hoping that your answer here is because you want to take the blinds and you only need a 2 1/2xbb raise to steel but this will save you some chips if you have to fold. If so...... great play you've not commited, you've made a raise big enough to take the blinds unchallanged and small enough to walk away from, when this guy then comes over the top of you for 3x YOUR bet then you should let go as your pretty sure your behind.
If you don't let go here then why put 2500 into 6200? - your below half the pot there. If your going to bet that flop then you need to be over half the pot to ask the question. The guy now has to call 2500, but he stands to win 8700 on top of it. If you bet bigger here and the guy calls or raises you can be happier that your behind and let this go
Hmm - pretty much what Webby says. Villain might - might - play it the same even if he misses his Set, & you get paid off, but unlikely.
It's one of those weird ones we see so often. A little mistake right at the start of the hand leads us into deeper & deeper trouble as we try to get out of it.
Sometimes, when it goes Pete Tong, it's best to dave your chips & find a better spot later. The re-pop from the OOP BB stinks of "monsta", too.
If you let go when he re-pops, you have enough chips to regroup & rinse-repeat a couple more times later, but we got wedded to it, & that was that.
I've spewed so many stacks, so many times, (in Live poker) in that sort of spot.
That said the situation on the river is a call 100% of the time given your stack, odds etc.
Sometimes when you raise with fashionable hands like 9/8 we have to accept were not always onto a good thing.
a few answers to some points.
yes i was just after the blinds,the guy is a tight player,which makes it so much worse(just ten mins before i told my mate"if mark calls a raise he usually has something") i dont mind my call to the reraise but after that i should of check/folded to the river,i put him on aq/kqsbut when that pesky 2pr came on the river it was goodnight vienna!
all in all i played it bad and blew my tourny.
im in the same tourny tonight so hopefully i can use my donk image in my favour
cheers all gl at the tables
On the flop, alarm bells would start ringing when he checks to me. It either means he's flopeed huge, has an over pair to the board, or has missed with AK. Previous info on the villians continuation betting patterns would be an advantage in this spot.
I think i would check behind in this spot and see what he does on the turn, because it just screams of a trap. The bet you made, and the call should have auto shut you down as you know you are behind at this stage.
You should have put no more money in the pot after the flop the way you played it and when he bets 6k into you on the river you know he is huge. what you have to then decide is has he done this with a set or does he still think his AA KK are good on this board?
It is only ever a call on the river for me, it was the worse card you could have seen to be fair, although you didnt have to get into that spot in the first place if you lay the hand down pre flop.
JUst my thoughts mate, see u at the next spt!
Now that your in the hand - this is tricky - his check is hard to diagnose therefore your c bet is standard but his call will definatley set alarm bells going!! I would definatley check the turn and just call his bet on the river - remember by re raising - your only going to be called by a better hand mostly - fair enough - it is likely that the villain has AQ - but also it is just as likely for him to have AA KK QQ JJ - therefore with any tight players - there is always a possibility of sets.
Just my tupance m8!!