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KK vs AA
How often should you be seeing KK vs AA?
This seems to happen alot and people are always complaining about it. I looked on Google and all the usual conspiracy theories came up about how online poker is rigged.
I've done some calculations and worked out that i should have KK vs AA 1 time every 9057 hands. Is this correct? If it is then that would mean playing on a six max table KK vs AA should happen to someone every 1510 hands.
So if I play 6 tables, seeing 100 hands per hour on each table for 8 hours a day, I should see KK vs AA
3 times a day and should have it happed to me 1 time every 2 days.
Not sure if my maths is correct. Can anyone shed any light on this.
Thanks
This seems to happen alot and people are always complaining about it. I looked on Google and all the usual conspiracy theories came up about how online poker is rigged.
I've done some calculations and worked out that i should have KK vs AA 1 time every 9057 hands. Is this correct? If it is then that would mean playing on a six max table KK vs AA should happen to someone every 1510 hands.
So if I play 6 tables, seeing 100 hands per hour on each table for 8 hours a day, I should see KK vs AA
3 times a day and should have it happed to me 1 time every 2 days.
Not sure if my maths is correct. Can anyone shed any light on this.
Thanks
Comments
Does that mean that really this situation should happen 1 time every 755 hands on a 6 max table or is that included in my first calculation?
another way for pokersites to make alot of money
And you don't need A-A v K-K to generate a big pot.
tikay would you fold kk in a tourny preflop
i normally fold in a 2 way pot on the forth raise preflop
if its 9 seated anyway
i would like to know your views
I played a £1k event at Palm Beach Casino in Mayfair a few years back, & got it all-in the very first hand With Kings, & walked smack-bang into Aces. And, with sparce-esque luck, binked the King.
The Event was won by a guy called Alan Smurfit, who's a pal of sorts.
Alan's brother Michael owns the "K Club", a seriously pricey Golf Club & Resort in Ireland, where the Ryder Cup was held. Michael, Alan, & two other brothers, were the major shareholders, & used to run, the Smurfit Packaging Group, which was sold to a Swedish Packaging company for about €3.5 billion.
Alan then went on to win a WSOP Bracelet - (in Pot Limit, of all things, which is a far more-skilled format than No-Limit) - at his first attempt, in 2007.
Alan lived in Florida for many years, as he ran the South American arm of the business, but he lives - & very well, I may add - In Las Vegas these days.
When Alan plays poker, he always places his WSOP bracelet on the Table, next to his chips. And why not?
And as it happens, my life was pretty interesting ebefore I started playing poker. But that's another story. Or two......
I'd love to write a book, too, but although I know a lot of tales, my vocab is a bit limited for that sort of thing. I do keep a well-read Diary though, elsewhere, & that might make up into half a book if I ever found time to filter out the junk.
I began a major, 4 part Blog last week actually, I just fancied writing, I had the "mood", & it was a pretty long Blog, & I don't think it even mentioned Poker. It was a poker-tale, but it just took a while to get to the poker bit!
In fact, I might upload Part 1 of that Blog this afternoon. Don't expect much Poker in it though.
I was not ware that I got a mention in Anthony Holden's 2nd book, but I had a few mentiions in Des Wilson's book about Devilfish.
In fact, there are 2 more stories there!
Des Wilson, who has been on 865 a few times, is THE most amazing man, & I've spent some time at his cottage in Cornwall, which we filmed for Poker Week. I could actually write a whole chapter on Dear Des (he's very old now), but how's this for starters?
Des has probably saved about a million peoples lives........
And when he was writing his book on Devilfish, he kept chasing me to give him some Devilfish stories. And I kept avoiding him. This went on, I kid you not, for 2 years or more.
Eventully, he nabs me at the Barcelona EPT in 2004, & he's a "bit cross" that I've stood him up so many times. He said "for Christ's sake Tony, all I asked was for you to tell me a nice thing about Devilfish, is that so hard?". And I replied, err, "well yes, as it happens Des, it's impossible actually, he's a dreadful man, & there are no nice tales about him". And there were not. Des, at the time, thought Devilfish was wonderful, & was a bit miffed with me. But before he finished writing the book, he realised the score, & in fact the book was eventually delayed a year, while Des re-wrote it to include some of the less savoury stories about Mr Ulliott.
There you go, you've started me off again!
I met 'old man Smurfitt' (their Father) in the '70's when I too owned a packaging company. Mine was slightly smaller than his.
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That is all
It was about 5 years ago, & we held it at the Village Hotel in Walsall, we held it there as there was a big Tourney going off at Grosvenor Walsall, just across the road, & it meant we could get a few "faces" involved. It was Pros v Students, organized by a Students Poker League that my business partner at the time, Dave Colclough, set up. He then disappeared, & left me to sort it out! "Just get me some faces" he said.
I can't exactly remember who I got, but I know it included Pascal Perrault, Mickey Wernick, Marc Goodwin, Julian Thew, Jen Mason, etc, & a famous poker player who shall remain nameless, as he nicked £500 from the proceeds.
Tony Holden is a bit of an "interesting" character, & until the "indoor smoking ban", I've never seen him without a ciggie in his mouth. He's a bit of a poker politician these days, behind the scenes.
GL at the tables.
I don't think that this is quite correct.
The odds of getting AA are 220 to 1 or 1 in 221.
The odds of another player getting KK are the same (in fact slightly better since 2 aces have been removed from the deck).
Therefore the odds of getting AA v KK heads-up would be 1/221 * 1/221 * 2 (roughly) which is 24,420 to 1.
The odds of getting AA v KK on a 6 player table is roughly 1/221 * 1/221 * 30 which is 1627 to 1.
(The figure of 30 comes from there being 30 permutations of 2 hands between 6 players).
I'd say that a more realistic number of hands per hour is 50.
Therefore, you could expect to see this situation at your table once in every 32 or 33 player hours.
So, using your 6 tables for 8 hours a day rate, I'd say you'd expect to see it about 1.5 times a day.
You'd have it happen to you (i.e. have either the AA or KK in this coup) about a third of this amount so about once every two days.
As always, I'm happy to be corrected.