Blatant Chip-Dropping/Dumping in DYM (or any) Games....

emilyegg

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I have been a victim of this twice in Omaha DYM games in the last week. Why do people do it? If someone is that desperate for 2 Quid...then It is sad...Just PM me and I give you the money without the grief. LOL
Posted by emilyegg

Sorry to be dumb but what's chip-dropping?

emilyegg

I have been a victim of this twice in Omaha DYM games in the last week. Why do people do it?

If someone is that desperate for 2 Quid...then it is sad...Just PM me and I will give you the money without the grief.

LOL

EDIT.....I have managed to post the Hand on this thread now.

acebarry10

In Response to Blatant Chip-Dropping in DYM (or any) Games....Is it Cheating? or am I Missing a Trick?:

I have been a victim of this twice in Omaha DYM games in the last week. Why do people do it? If someone is that desperate for 2 Quid...then it is sad...Just PM me and I will give you the money without the grief. LOL
Posted by emilyegg

Hi

If you suspect someone, I would suggest you contact Customer Care , I suspect emilyegg is on about chip dumping:Chip Dumping means that one player deliberately looses his chips against another player. E.g. while betting on a weak hand. In tournaments, this is a common strategy.

LeoBooBoo

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In Response to Blatant Chip-Dropping in DYM (or any) Games....Is it Cheating? or am I Missing a Trick? : Hi If you suspect someone, I would suggest you contact Customer Care , I suspect emilyegg is on about chip dumping:Chip Dumping means that one player deliberately looses his chips against another player. E.g. while betting on a weak hand. In tournaments, this is a common strategy.
Posted by acebarry10[/QUOTE
What I have seen or should I say suspected are two players beefing up the betting as if both have really good hands, other players fold, and it turns out that one of the two beefing up the betting has absolutely nothing more than, say, a five high....maybe nothing more than an idiot but it does make you suspicious.

AIRWALKER

In Response to Blatant Chip-Dropping in DYM (or any) Games....Is it Cheating? or am I Missing a Trick?:

I have a been victim of this twice in Omaha DYM games in the last week. Why do people do it? If someone is that desperate for 2 Quid...then it is sad...Just PM me and I will give you the money without the grief. LOL
Posted by emilyegg

LOL     People do it no doubt. I sometimes accuse them of it there and then. That stops em.

emilyegg

We should be allowed to name and shame them as well...

EDIT (at half-ten on Monday morning)

BUT ONLY IF THE COMMITTEE APPROVES AND THE ACCUSED ARE FOUND GUILTY ;0).

ACESOVER8s

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We should be allowed to name and shame them as well...
Posted by emilyegg

You have to be carefull with naming and shaming people on an assumption. You suspect that this may be happening but what's the evidence?. DOn't get me wrong, i se ewhat i assume to be that all the time but you can't go condeming people on assumptions now can you?

emilyegg

excuse me for having an opinion...lol

ACESOVER8s

i didn't complain at you having an opinion?????? in fact i pointed out that it was your "opinion" and not a fact. Touchy much??

Anyway, read the post and i say don't get me wrong (which evidently has been the first thing you have done), I see what i think is this all the time.

My comment is purely on Naming and Shaming people who have given you the "Opinion" they are cheating and not people who you can prove are

emilyegg

lol......its the New Barking-Snake. Take the advice that you give to others from your lofty perch......

DELETE....MOVE ON.

I have asked a SERIOUS poker question, but sadly from yourself...instead of an answer, you are only good value for an underhanded/sarcastic comment in a pathetic attempt to cause aggro.

If anyone can answer the original question I would be grateful.

ACESOVER8s

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lol......its the New Barking-Snake. Take the advice that you give to others from your lofty perch...... DELETE....MOVE ON. I have asked a SERIOUS poker question, but sadly from yourself...instead of an answer, you are only good value for an underhanded/sarcastic comment in a pathetic attempt to cause aggro. If anyone can answer the original question I would be grateful.
Posted by emilyegg

Now that's just a fabrication isn't it lol

I haven't made an underhanded comment, i agreed with you in all but naming and shaming. Answer to the original question, simple - so that they and their friend can win, is it worth it.....No but people will always try and find ways to go around the system

Really no need for charachter assasination as i didn't attack you, just pointed out the pitfall of naming and shaming people in public

emilyegg

Yawn Aces.........just Yawn. Thanks for your input though, I feel much better for it.....but no nearer the answer to my Question.

ACESOVER8s

Didn't know you were serious about not knowing if this is cheating or i would have answered that first

Is it Cheating?

Yes

Why do people do it?

so that they and their friend can win

MAXALLY

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Yawn Aces.........just Yawn. Thanks for your input though, I feel much better for it.....but no nearer the answer to my Question.
Posted by emilyegg

Hey.....here is an answer for you FWIW. Why dont you and Aces get on a Omaha DYM table now and clear up?.

There is obv attraction between you two and you will be able to feel each others cards across the love table!

On a more serious note, I would use the notes box facility and take action if you could see this kind of thing repeating itself with the same suspects. If you have names and game ID's noted, it will help your case if/or when you reported it to customer services.

emilyegg

Thanks Aces. I would never post the hand/details on here....Can I PM you the hand number, and you can honestly tell me what you think?

Cheers

emilyegg

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In Response to Re: Blatant Chip-Dropping/Dumping in DYM (or any) Games....Is it Cheating? or am I Missing a Trick? : Hey.....here is an answer for you FWIW. Why dont you and Aces get on a Omaha DYM table now and clear up?. There is obv attraction between you two and you will be able to feel each others cards across the love table! On a more serious note, I would use the notes box facility and take action if you could see this kind of thing repeating itself with the same suspects. If you have names and game ID's noted, it will help your case if/or when you reported it to customer services.
Posted by MAXALLY

PMSL.....Pack it in Tom.

ACESOVER8s

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Thanks Aces. I would never post the hand/details on here....Can I PM you the hand number, and you can honestly tell me what you think? Cheers
Posted by emilyegg

I wouldn't be able to view it, only those involved in the hand would. If the hands look really off then i would report it to Customer services as this is most def cheating. They are able to check far more than just your game, they can see if these people ALWAYS play the same tournys and bounce chips to each other. If this is the case then they can ban the 2 from sitting together at a table or worst case they can ban the accounts from any activity.

Cheers for the nice reply as i really don't want to end up in a slanging match on the forum lol, honestly no attack meant on you just my opinion on naming and shaming. Your probably right, they could well be cheating but if this was allowed you could guarantee that for every true case put up there would be 2 innocent people being slated on the forum (again this not directed as an attack on you, just the plain truth about what would happen if people in general were allowed to do it)

emilyegg

Fair Comment Aces. Cheers.

unknown_username

I must admit to being naive but I had never thought of people chip dumping but I played 3 deep stacks yesterday. In one two players with average stacks raised and re-raised forcing others from the game then min bet to the river then one went all in with the winning hand and the other paid him off with Queen high making the other player the chip leader! At the time I just thought it was a very bad call now Im not to sure! I wish I had not read this post I think I was happier in blatant ignorance!

emilyegg

On reflection....I think after a spot of lunch, I will try and post the Hand on here......as long as I can remove the names. It would be interesting to see what people really think.

emilyegg

????????	Small blind		100.00	100.00	1250.00
emilyegg	Big blind		200.00	300.00	2225.00
	Your hole cards	8 7 A 7
hit_man_uk	Fold
mmmm????	Raise		600.00	900.00	5000.00
????????	All-in		1250.00	2150.00	0.00
emilyegg	Fold
mmmm????	Fold
????????	Muck
????????	Win		2150.00		2150.00

emilyegg

When this hand took place I put PMSL in the chat-box. Got a "what?" in reply and then some lame "oops, I clicked the wrong thingmebob....the cat ate the computer et cetera"

It was an INSTANT-FOLD after the All-In. Forgive me for sounding a bit cynical, but the Raise and Fold are a couple of inches apart.

This was a regular Omaha DYM player, and I told them that they had gone down in my estimation because of their play.

-Typhoon-

I always thought of chipdumping to more of an activity of  the cash games. Simply moving large amounts from one player to another for fraudulent purposes. Cant see why this would happen on S&G....

MereNovice

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I always thought of chipdumping to more of an activity of  the cash games. Simply moving large amounts from one player to another for fraudulent purposes. Cant see why this would happen on S&G....
Posted by -Typhoon-

It would happen in an SnG (particularly in a DYM) in order to get both of two "friends" to cash. If either of the players gets a large chip lead then they could "donate" chips to their co-conspirator to help them without damaging their own position very much.

Also, it might look like a poor fold in the hand above but it is miles away from anything like evidence of chip-dumping.

emilyegg

There is some substance....now that I am checking out the games they played together yesterday. mmmmm interesting.

GaryQQQ

There's nowhere near enough evidence of chip dumping based on that hand alone. Folds that would be crazy in cash games or ordinary STTs sometimes make sense in a DYM, particularly if you have a good chip lead over 4th place, as mmmm????  does at this table.

Maybe keep an eye on those two players, see if they sit at DYM's together again in the future, observe the table if you like, sharkscope might help. Notify Sky CS if there's a pattern. I would be surprised and disappointed if players resorted to chip dumping for the sake of just £2.

pr1nnyraid

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In Response to Re: Blatant Chip-Dropping/Dumping in DYM (or any) Games.... : It would happen in an SnG (particularly in a DYM) in order to get both of two "friends" to cash. If either of the players gets a large chip lead then they could "donate" chips to their co-conspirator to help them without damaging their own position very much. Also, it might look like a poor fold in the hand above but it is miles away from anything like evidence of chip-dumping.
Posted by MereNovice

On its own merit maybe not but as part of a series of evidence then it is significant... Same as the stoxpoker scandal that is being investigated http://www.pokertableratings.com/blog/2010/04/stoxpoker-collusion-investigation/. Well done emily 4 saayin something these people need persecuting its cheating and it really GRINDSSSS MYYYY GEARRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

spornybol

my brother is on this site and i have to admit there is NO WAY we would chip dump against each other,mainly because of braggin rites so if anyone comes up against toonarmy 01 kick his **** thanks, lookin forward 2 next season he`ll owe me 2 pints when liverpool stuff em again lol

pr1nnyraid

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There's nowhere near enough evidence of chip dumping based on that hand alone. Folds that would be crazy in cash games or ordinary STTs sometimes make sense in a DYM, particularly if you have a good chip lead over 4th place, as mmmm????  does at this table . Maybe keep an eye on those two players, see if they sit at DYM's together again in the future, observe the table if you like, sharkscope might help. Notify Sky CS if there's a pattern. I would be surprised and disappointed if players resorted to chip dumping for the sake of just £2.
Posted by GaryQQQ

its not just £2, they could be trial running a scandal that they will take to higher stakes, not only this they could be playing 200 games an hour on more than this site.

emilyegg

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There's nowhere near enough evidence of chip dumping based on that hand alone. Folds that would be crazy in cash games or ordinary STTs sometimes make sense in a DYM, particularly if you have a good chip lead over 4th place, as mmmm????  does at this table . Maybe keep an eye on those two players, see if they sit at DYM's together again in the future, observe the table if you like, sharkscope might help. Notify Sky CS if there's a pattern. I would be surprised and disappointed if players resorted to chip dumping for the sake of just £2.
Posted by GaryQQQ

That surprised me as well tbh Gary. Have had a look on Sharkscope as well (not a subscriber...going to ask a friend to have a look)

mmmm???? played 3 £2 DYM games in the space of about 4 hours yesterday....could only check 2 of them, but it did throw up a 1-2 finish in both games involving the other player. (????????)

When I have the 3rd game looked at....would it be just coincidence if the same two players played and cashed in that too, or should a stewards enquiry be launched?

NOT LOOKING FOR ANYONE TO HAVE A GO AT ME............I just put the question out there because of the "POOR" fold....that still looks very iffy to me.

MereNovice

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In Response to Re: Blatant Chip-Dropping/Dumping in DYM (or any) Games.... : its not just £2, they could be trial running a scandal that they will take to higher stakes, not only this they could be playing 200 games an hour on more than this site.
Posted by hotpotato

They'd be mugs to "trial run" it at £2 since as you say, if there is a pattern of hands like this it will clearly look like collusion.
The more times they play hands like this the more damning the evidence would be.

If the OP finds consistent evidence, I wish him good luck with his complaint.