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What have they got?
It's a live cash game - No Limit Hold'em - £1/£2 blinds.
At the start of the hand, all the players involved in the action have about £200 in front of them.
We're in the big blind.
Action is folded round to the button (young, aggressive) who opens with a raise to £10.
Small blind (old timer, bit of a rock) thinks for 30 seconds and then calls.
We have QQ in the big blind - and pump it up to £50.
Button thinks...and calls.
Small blind goes into the tank for what seems like an eternity - and eventually calls.
Flop = AQJ rainbow.
Small blind immediately moves all-in for £150.
What hand do you put him on? What's the button got? Do you call?
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I reckon they are on maybe big aces like A10 so have top pair with a draw or maybe something like QJ?
I would call everytime.
the button could have a wide range, so he could have called with anything from J10 onwards, but the sb ,being a rock, i would put on a tighter range, AK(NOT SURE),1010,JJ KK AA. I think for a rock K10 would be out of character, but by the immediate push, i'd put him on either trip jacks, trip aces or the made straight.
If this was you James then i think your good enough to fold that hand, but many would say call.
Ok, time to get off the fence, I'll say that i would call as i am discounting aces(to much deliberating on the original call), so i'm putting him on JJ or KK.
So now you'll tell me he did have AA or that you called and the button had K10. AND YOU LOST THE HAND.
What was the result then James?
col
Well, it wasn't me, but a close friend - and his reading of the situation was exactly the same as mine.
First of all, we're not that worried about the button. He's going to raise in that spot with any two and, once he's got chips in the pot, is the kind of player who'll call our re-raise to "protect his children out there..." Yes, there's a VERY small chance he's got K10.
So, the small blind...
The chance of him having K10 is less than 0.01%
Would he have played AA like that? Probably not. We'd expect him to re-raise the button's pre-flop bet, or shove following our re-raise.
Col - I think you're onto something with JJ. Especially, when you consider his reluctance to call pre-flop. I don't think he's got KK, because of his pre-flop passivity. And would you shove with KK on that board against two raisers?
So, having convinced ourselves we're up against JJ, we call...
I dont think he is on JJ as its too big a flop for him to shove first on - I still reckon he has hit a pair on the flop with a draw and is betting to represent something bigger than he has.......
Remember - he's a rock. In fact, from my friend's description, it sounds like he was mainly at the table for the free food and drink :-)
Assuming he's hit bottom set, I can see him moving all-in on that board to win the £150 in the middle.
Anyway, if you're right, and he is weaker than JJ - all the more reason for us to call...
So...
The button folds - showing KK!
After the inconsequential turn and river cards are dealt, we display our trip queens.
And the small blind...
No-one at the table put him on that hand.
So, lesson of the day: never underestimate old rocks.
(And it's also worth noting that aggro players do occasionally get premium hands on the button.)
You said, " he was a rock " Well played sir, but i would have done my cahoot's in that pot with QQQ, already in for 52 quid, i cant pass that hand, if i was in to hit a Q and it came ....so it's a gamble you take, if he has AAA well that's one of those hands you just have to wipe your mouth and say, "nice hand well played sir"
benny
I would have blown all my money thats for sure - there are some hands you just cant fold and, to me, thats one of them.
As a side question, assuming you are the SB and you have hit as big as he has, do you move all in or would you slow play them and wait for someone else to make a move? In this specific instance its almost irrelevant as he got paid anyway but longer term I would have thought slow playing would be more profitable as really only QQ and JJ can call him on that board?
The strength of his hand is disguised, plus if it somehow checks round and a K or a T peel off on the turn then he is in no mans land.
Reading the original post I had put the SB on JJ.
I'm not sure I like his flat call pre-flop tbh although it paid off this time.
By the time the action had got back round to him there was £100 in the pot and it's plainly obvious that that his opponents have big hands and to take aces to the flop 3 ways is very risky. I'd have jammed pre-flop, it worked for him this time but I'm not sure it was the best play.
I don't play cash and even if I did it wouldn't be at these levels so I'm fishing a little but, in my mind, very few hands can call that shove unless they are complete monsters in themselves meaning he won't have maximised the potential of a situation which doesn't occur all that often.
I'm calling in this spot, with what i think to be the best hand.. ..
Lee ,,