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Can i have played this better?

edited April 2010 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tezza690 Small blind  100.00 100.00 21309.14
parsons03 Big blind  200.00 300.00 7730.00
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • A
     
The_Don90 Raise  400.00 700.00 5352.50
Dafned84 Fold     
legion21 Fold     
tezza690 Call  300.00 1000.00 21009.14
parsons03 Call  200.00 1200.00 7530.00
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 9
  • J
     
tezza690 Check     
parsons03 Check     
The_Don90 Bet  200.00 1400.00 5152.50
tezza690 Call  200.00 1600.00 20809.14
parsons03 Call  200.00 1800.00 7330.00
Turn
   
  • 10
     
tezza690 Check     
parsons03 Check     
The_Don90 Bet  1800.00 3600.00 3352.50
tezza690 Call  1800.00 5400.00 19009.14
parsons03 Fold     
River
   
  • 8
     
tezza690 Check     
The_Don90 Check     
tezza690 Show
  • Q
  • Q
   
The_Don90 Show
  • 9
  • A
   
tezza690 Win Straight to the Queen 5400.00  24409.14

Comments

  • edited April 2010
    You should betting around 600-1000 on the flop. You are giving hands such as QK the right price to draw to their straight and you would be going broke if they hit. Apart from that just UL
  • edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: Can i have played this better?:
    You should betting around 600-1000 on the flop. You are giving hands such as QK the right price to draw to their straight and you would be going broke if they hit. Apart from that just UL
    Posted by Cowgomoo
    I was trying to appear scared, show weakness although u i guess in the end that was incorrect move
  • edited April 2010
    Pot, Pot, Pot... the jack will call you down, over pairs will call you down, straight draw calls you down...

    just pot bet each street if the draw dont get there.
  • edited April 2010
    You not betting enough.

    Your preflop raise should ALWAYS be 3 or 4 times the big blind. You should always be looking to make a pot sized bet post flop if your hand is vulnerable to draws, plus you are getting added value if you get called.

    It is difficult against weak players as they will call you all the way to the river no matter how much you bet, but if you seek to protect your hand, you can filter off some of the fish. You do want the fish to call sometimes, however, but you need to be stronger than you were on the turn to start trapping.

    If you do all this and still get called there is nothing you can do. In the example you give, the money would have gone in anyway on the flop as your oponent has an overpair and is unlikely to pass with that flop. He can't sit there with QQ, hit a 99J flop and then try to put you on a set, full house or quads.
  • edited April 2010
    Bet 8fiddy on the flop, 2125 on turn.
  • edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: Can i have played this better?:
    You not betting enough. Your preflop raise should ALWAYS be 3 or 4 times the big blind. You should always be looking to make a pot sized bet post flop if your hand is vulnerable to draws, plus you are getting added value if you get called. It is difficult against weak players as they will call you all the way to the river no matter how much you bet, but if you seek to protect your hand, you can filter off some of the fish. You do want the fish to call sometimes, however, but you need to be stronger than you were on the turn to start trapping. If you do all this and still get called there is nothing you can do. In the example you give, the money would have gone in anyway on the flop as your oponent has an overpair and is unlikely to pass with that flop. He can't sit there with QQ, hit a 99J flop and then try to put you on a set, full house or quads.
    Posted by Ace777791
    Why always do this, always do that? It's a situational game.
  • edited April 2010
    In Response to Re: Can i have played this better?:
    In Response to Re: Can i have played this better? : Why always do this, always do that? It's a situational game.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    Which is why I said if your hand is vulnerable to draws, e.g there is a flush/straight draw on the flop, you need to protect your hand. If there is less danger then you can be creative.

    But I would say the preflop rais should always be 3 or 4 times the big blind yes. If you start altering the size of your raise preflop then good players will notice a pattern, and also you NEVER (yes it's another 'always/never') want to bet in relation tho the strength of your hand, e.g less when your weak, more when your strong, or vice versa, as again a good player will pick up on this.

    Arguably the most fundemental aspect of poker is to keep the other players from knowing or having an idea of what your hand is, so betting the same ammount pre-flop is a way to disguise your hand.

    This will help later on in tournements when you want to steal the blinds, if you have raised 3 times BB early in a tourney and shown down K,K, or another strong hand, players will give you more credit for it when you raise 3 times BB with J,10 off on the button to steal the blinds.
  • edited April 2010
    Why not consistently raise 2.5x BB? Daniel Negreanu does it...
  • edited April 2010
    I think you should be raising it 4x pre so you can isolate other players and you dont get to the flop with a mutiple range of hands to see your cards being beat and you ave yourself the headcache of thinking what 4 players could have rather than just the 1
  • edited April 2010
    I think the problem here is that on a 99J flop, the QQ is going nowhere. Once the 10 comes, the QQ is unlikely to fold. It's one of those occasions where you are likely to lose every time.
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