Trapping with KK pre flop gone wrong. 5 bet by a nit with over 200 BBs.

unknown_username

You shove and he shows AA

unknown_username

Villain in the hand is an abc nit: 18/15/3.6 3bet = 7%; squeze = 5% and 4bet = 8%

Blinds $2/$4

SB ($448)
BB ($203)
UTG ($421)
Hero ($899)
CO ($1,012)
BTN ($476)

Dealt to Hero KK

UTG raises to $14, Hero calls $14, CO raises to $62, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $164, CO raises to $274, Hero?

This screams AA but surely I cant fold this... Can I?   Thoughts and help from everyone would be nice.

TommyD

Nasty spot.  Looking at his stats you are definitely up against AA, the other two kings, AK or maybe QQ.  The fact he has min raised you looks fairly suspicious but won't be AA every time.  Hating the fact he's got position on you as well.

I'd be tempted to call here and assess the flop with the hope to bink a king here.

Dudeskin8

Very tough to fold KK preflop, but if you do have notes on him being an ABC nit then surely this is the time to use them to your advantage. Still I probably lose my stack against AA here.

zing

how big is your stats sample? 

do you know how many tables he's on?

has he played with you enough to know you flat UTG w/ KK in MP some % of the time?

have you done this line vs him w/ AK/QQ/JJ in the past allbeit most likely not in a 200bb+ deep pot

what's your foldto3bet %?  how do you think he views you?

what's the table playing like? will he expect you to flat big in EP cause there's a squeeze happy player in the blinds? etc etc

as you're 200bb+ deep this becomes very read dependant on how to continue

don't think I can ever fold this simply because your hand is underrepped from the get go and he'll level himself into stacking off lighter than he should cause of it

there's proabably an argument to flat because his line can include pure air given the right info from you

big_mick12

In Response to Re: Trapping with KK pre flop gone wrong. 5 bet by a nit with over 200 BBs.:

how big is your stats sample?  do you know how many tables he's on? has he played with you enough to know you flat UTG w/ KK in MP some % of the time? have you done this line vs him w/ AK/QQ/JJ in the past allbeit most likely not in a 200bb+ deep pot what's your foldto3bet %?  how do you think he views you? what's the table playing like? will he expect you to flat big in EP cause there's a squeeze happy player in the blinds? etc etc as you're 200bb+ deep this becomes very read dependant on how to continue don't think I can ever fold this simply because your hand is underrepped from the get go and he'll level himself into stacking off lighter than he should cause of it there's proabably an argument to flat because his line can include pure air given the right info from you
Posted by zing

+1 very good post, personally i call then loose to AA.

JONONZIE

 what was the outcome?

loonytoons

The day i fold KK pre flop you can kick me in the ballcocks.