Playing the nuts against 2 players

DOHHHHHHH

10 handed table, im playing a few games, my approach on these tables is to just play the cards im dealt, try n flop the nuts, or find AA / KK pre and get it in, im not really interested in watching how others play, whats been going on, who's lairy, agro etc - I cant multi table like others, so I just play cards - Hence I have no reads.

Ive posted a hand before, where I flop the nut flush and have 2 people betting into me.......

I posted for advice, and was advised to play it strong on the flop. I dont want to lose customers here, so what hands could my oppos have? overpair to the board, Ace/King of diamonds? a six? - and what is the correct play bearing in mind the hands I'm likely to be up against? - Can ya give an exact raise size if that is your option? - and reasing behind it....looking at stack sizes imparticular...

How do you respond on the turn? - they both have a pot sized bet left behind....

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
sophie123	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£37.08
DOHHHHHHH	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£94.57
	Your hole cards	7 4
JAKOBOY	Fold
lemonada	Call		£0.50	£1.25	£44.50
blackbeltb	Fold
BENDOG40	Raise		£2.00	£3.25	£48.00
John_Banks	Fold
tilldeath	Fold
sophie123	Call		£1.75	£5.00	£35.33
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£1.50	£6.50	£93.07
lemonada	Call		£1.50	£8.00	£43.00
Flop
		3 6 5
sophie123	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
lemonada	Bet		£3.50	£11.50	£39.50
BENDOG40	Fold
sophie123	Call		£3.50	£15.00	£31.83
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£3.50	£18.50	£89.57
Turn
		6
sophie123	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
lemonada	Bet		£7.50	£26.00	£32.00
sophie123	Call		£7.50	£33.50	£24.33

mr_mbro

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10 handed table, im playing a few games, my approach on these tables is to just play the cards im dealt, try n flop the nuts, or find AA / KK pre and get it in, im not really interested in watching how others play, whats been going on, who's lairy, agro etc - I cant multi table like others, so I just play cards - Hence I have no reads. Ive posted a hand before, where I flop the nut flush and have 2 people betting into me....... I posted for advice, and was advised to play it strong on the flop. I dont want to lose customers here, so what hands could my oppos have? overpair to the board, Ace/King of diamonds? a six? - and what is the correct play bearing in mind the hands I'm likely to be up against? - Can ya give an exact raise size if that is your option? - and reasing behind it....looking at stack sizes imparticular... How do you respond on the turn? - they both have a pot sized bet left behind.... Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance sophie123 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £37.08 DOHHHHHHH Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £94.57   Your hole cards 7 4       JAKOBOY Fold         lemonada Call   £0.50 £1.25 £44.50 blackbeltb Fold         BENDOG40 Raise   £2.00 £3.25 £48.00 John_Banks Fold         tilldeath Fold         sophie123 Call   £1.75 £5.00 £35.33 DOHHHHHHH Call   £1.50 £6.50 £93.07 lemonada Call   £1.50 £8.00 £43.00 Flop     3 6 5       sophie123 Check         DOHHHHHHH Check         lemonada Bet   £3.50 £11.50 £39.50 BENDOG40 Fold         sophie123 Call   £3.50 £15.00 £31.83 DOHHHHHHH Call   £3.50 £18.50 £89.57 Turn     6       sophie123 Check         DOHHHHHHH Check         lemonada Bet   £7.50 £26.00 £32.00 sophie123 Call   £7.50 £33.50 £24.33
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Hi DOHHHHHHH,
Why would you want to do anything other than call the turn bets and then bet the river, as i see it the only other  move is to pot it and hope that one or both call.
One thing i definitely would not do is call the turn and then check the river, even when your opponents have consistantly led out, but you know this better than me m8.

col

mr_mbro

In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players:

In Response to Playing the nuts against 2 players : Hi DOHHHHHHH, Why would you want to do anything other than call the turn bets and then bet the river, as i see it the only other  move is to pot it and hope that one or both call. One thing i definitely would not do is call the turn and then check the river, even when your opponents have consistently led out, but you know this better than me m8. col
ps edit can you see my deliberate mistake lol
Posted by mr_mbro

OMahonyO

Dunno, this can be as tense as trying to get a bluff through sometimes.  Personally I would raise that turn, but by how much I`m not sure.

OMahonyO

I played this hand last night, but I suppose it plays itself when you see villains hand

AEMF1873	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£14.33
keezy	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£16.37
	Your hole cards	4 A
B00MT4NG	Fold
tung8	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£26.94
crobe	Call		£0.20	£0.70	£25.83
OMahonyO	Call		£0.20	£0.90	£22.27
AEMF1873	Fold
keezy	Check
Flop
		K 8 7
keezy	Bet		£0.20	£1.10	£16.17
tung8	Fold
crobe	Raise		£0.40	£1.50	£25.43
OMahonyO	Raise		£1.00	£2.50	£21.27
keezy	Fold
crobe	Raise		£3.70	£6.20	£21.73
OMahonyO	Raise		£6.20	£12.40	£15.07
crobe	Call		£3.10	£15.50	£18.63
Turn
		9
crobe	Check
OMahonyO	All-in		£15.07	£30.57	£0.00
crobe	Call		£15.07	£45.64	£3.56
crobe	Show	10 9
OMahonyO	Show	4 A
River
		6
OMahonyO	Win	Flush to the Ace	£43.84		£43.84

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freechips1

you have to raise the turn, if villan has Ad or Kd he will call, if you dont raise turn villan might not put another penny into pot on river if he miss a draw.
the size of raise on turn is hard as both players r sat short i would make it £19 if both call then pot is about £75 and a £20 bet on river sets both of all in.
if it was me i am c/r on flop as when i have played 10 handed on sky its lots of calling stations

Action_Dan

How many fist pumps and expletives came out when you flopped that? You've not had that much fun since flopping the nuts on Kerry Katona! It's tough spot to extract value though - I'd call and bet river in hope another diamond comes or they hit some kind of Full House and get paid that way! On paired board, will big diamond come along regardless or would it scare them off? I guess that's where reads on their previous would've come in handy!

freechips1

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How many fist pumps and expletives came out when you flopped that? Dream flop of all dream flops! It's tough spot to extract value though - I'd call and bet river in hope another diamond comes or they hit some kind of Full House and get paid that way! On paired board, will big diamond come along regardless or would it scare them off?
Posted by Action_Dan

and if they miss their draw on river you get £0

Action_Dan

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In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : and if they miss their draw on river you get £0
Posted by freechips1

Deep down I know that's the right move and in theory, I like to think I'd raise but if I'm being honest, I'd call and then bet

scotty77

like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.

zing

i lead flop

lynx3ffect

check/raise flop to 8.5/9, pot is then 33 and they both have pot size stacks so jam turn, they always calling with A or K of diamonds at worse

BlackFish3

Check raise flop to like 10-12 then just bet every street.
Or check call flop and cry if a diamond turns.

Wilhelm

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like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.
Posted by scotty77

+1

If they call they are comitted to calling a shove on the river with a huge range.

DeuceAK_47

If the players in the hand are generally passive i lead the flop otherwise i check raise the flop to take control of the pot and make sure im able to get all the money in by the river (pot management).

Your lucky another diamond didnt come on the turn as that could of ruined your action, your also lucky lemonada looks like has a big hand as the turn could of easily been checked around on that scary of a board.

Its funny how we always disagree on hands where you slowplay the nuts lol (agree with you on mostly all other hands), you obviously have your reasons for this but my thoughts are that you make most of your money from 50nl games (passive games) by VALUE BETTING as most players call way too lightly.

DOUBLE YOUR BET SIZES...DOUBLE YOUR WINRATE :-)

OMahonyO

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like make it basically a min raise.  about 18/19.
Posted by scotty77

Yeah, I wanted to say I`d minraise, but refrained as so many think it is so bad.  If there was ever a time to mr, this would be it imo.

BrownnDog

Fold pre flop

beaneh

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Fold pre flop
Posted by BrownnDog

Bet or c/r flop ftw. BD is a nit don't listen to him, chirpy chip is the good player with the good advice :-)

BrownnDog

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In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : Bet or c/r flop ftw. BD is a nit don't listen to him, chirpy chip is the good player with the good advice :-)
Posted by beaneh

lolololololol

beaneh

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In Response to Re: Playing the nuts against 2 players : lolololololol
Posted by BrownnDog

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