C-bet or take free card?

Dudeskin8

TOD19	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.83
westyuk	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.93
	Your hole cards	A Q
dasisboi	Fold
SPOCKCAL	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£8.32
antichrist	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£9.52
Dudeskin8	Raise		£0.20	£0.34	£4.19
stek	Fold
dsk19s01	Fold
walter1959	Fold
TOD19	Fold
westyuk	Fold
SPOCKCAL	Call		£0.16	£0.50	£8.16
antichrist	Call		£0.16	£0.66	£9.36
Flop
		3 10 2
SPOCKCAL	Check
antichrist	Check
Dudeskin8	???

I'm getting in these spots quite a bit recently, raise with big cards KQ/J, AK/Q/J then I keep missing the flop (or at least it feels that way). I've heard you should never bluff at this level as people will call down with any pair most of the time, however as the pot is 66p should I be sticking in around 38-45p just to steal it (maybe with the best hand anyway). Or is it better to check, take the free card and see if they check it twice ?

Also probably best if a few regs at this level could give some advice.

Patching99

I play this level and if you pay attention, certain players will do the same play over and over again.  For this reason you can bluff sometimes.  Not sure what I would do here as no info but if I had just sat down I would take the free card.   

BlackFish3

i just check as its multi way.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: C-bet or take free card?:

i just check as its multi way.
Posted by BlackFish3

So against 1 opponent bet say 75-80% of time ?

DOHHHHHHH

For me, at the lower mid stakes...against 1 oppo....I cbet 95% of the time....

Reason being it gets through quite alot.....

It gets you TWO free cards, as if you bet, he calls, he's likely to check expecting u to bet again

U wud do the same with aces and kings, so c-betting and being raised,then u fold - this will work out later in the session

Against 2 players...maybe check I dunno, bet sometimes, check sometimes

DeuceAK_47

I dont play these stakes but i think the theory of playing against loose passive players stays the same, so i would continuation bet (1/2 pots fine against one player but against two i would bet 2/3) on this dry of a board for capitalization of dead money.
I believe theres only three reasons for betting:-

1) to get value from are hand
2)a bluff
3)capitalization of dead money

If we bet here we are not bluffing as its most likely that we have the best hand but as we only have ace high we are happy to take the pot down now as they have good equity against are hand.
If we get a caller we are obviously just trying to get a free showdown if we dont improve, its not the worst thing if a hand like kj calls us as although they have good equity against us at least we are getting some value from are hand while we are ahead.

So in conclusion i would bet for capatilization of dead money aand thin value....hope this makes sense :-)

BlackFish3

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In Response to Re: C-bet or take free card? : So against 1 opponent bet say 75-80% of time ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

no... on this flop i bet 100% of the time against 1 opponent lol. Even if he is a calling station you still probably have the best hand so like AK said, there's some thin value.

beaneh

bet 50p

Adastra

I'm a reg at this level, I have found that alot of players will call 20p pre-flop with any 2 suited or connected cards and any ace

I think on that board I would c-bet half the pot, then check the turn if not improved

Dudeskin8

Flop
		3 10 2
SPOCKCAL	Check
antichrist	Check
Dudeskin8	Check
Turn
		8
SPOCKCAL	Check
antichrist	Bet		£0.12	£0.78	£9.24
Dudeskin8	???

Cheers for that advide, I decided to check the flop, no improvement on the turn but one of them decides to bet 12p, this situation I find even worse as I have either gone behind or am being bluffed off the best hand by really small bet.

In this situation with just one card to come is it best over time just to fold and let him have it ?

offshoot

bet flop and bet every turn which isnt a 2,3,4,5 or 6.

reasons to bet:

youre in position.
you have 2 overs.
you beat every flush draw apart from AK so if you bet flop and turn and the flush misses you can check back the river and still win a lot of the time.
every turn card is gonna be a scare card for someone with a 2 or 3 so you can probably get them to fold by barrelling. i dont buy into this people never ever fold any pair rubbish, people have to fold some of the time, no matter how bad.
If you hit a ace or queen on turn or river you can stack people with a ten. also jacks and kings give you more outs and are decent scare cards to continue betting.

If both people call flop then i would give up on turn a lot more but if youve bet flop theyre both likely to check to you on turn anyway so you can take a free card.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: C-bet or take free card?:

bet flop and bet every turn which isnt a 2,3,4,5 or 6. reasons to bet: youre in position. you have 2 overs. you beat every flush draw apart from AK so if you bet flop and turn and the flush misses you can check back the river and still win a lot of the time. every turn card is gonna be a scare card for someone with a 2 or 3 so you can probably get them to fold by barrelling. i dont buy into this people never ever fold any pair rubbish, people have to fold some of the time, no matter how bad. If you hit a ace or queen on turn or river you can stack people with a ten. also jacks and kings give you more outs and are decent scare cards to continue betting. If both people call flop then i would give up on turn a lot more but if youve bet flop theyre both likely to check to you on turn anyway so you can take a free card.
Posted by offshoot

Thanks a lot for this reply, really thinking outside the box. I'll defo try and implement it in other similar spots.