Raise or Call?

Dudeskin8

gilch60	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.84
Adastra	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.52
	Your hole cards	4 A
lucky77777	Fold
Dudeskin8	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£4.78
floyd1961	Fold
gilch60	Fold
Adastra	Call		£0.08	£0.26	£1.44
Flop
		4 K 2
Adastra	Bet		£0.13	£0.39	£1.31
Dudeskin8

I was just wondering in this position is it better to just see the turn fairly cheaply or should i raise it up with the big draw ? Baring in mind it's on 2p/4p.

beaneh

Raise it up 35p to go ftw

zing

both lines are fine i think

beaneh

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

both lines are fine i think
Posted by zing

I'd rather raise here I think.

Eagle26

def raise

silentbob

In position here I'm raising. 

You were aggressive pre flop & I would say it's more likely he's hit his king rather than flopped the flush (& even if he has flopped the flush you're re-drawing to the nut flush) & you might even take the pot down there & then without having to hit.

The other reason for raising here is that it might buy you a free card later down the line. If you raise it & your oppo just calls he might check the turn to you which would then give you the choice between checking back & seeing a free card if another club doesn't land or betting out to try and take it down again (fwiw, I'd probably be checking back in that situation).

Eagle26

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

In position here I'm raising.  You were aggressive pre flop & I would say it's more likely he's hit his king rather than flopped the flush (& even if he has flopped the flush you're re-drawing to the nut flush) & you might even take the pot down there & then without having to hit. The other reason for raising here is that it might buy you a free card later down the line. If you raise it & your oppo just calls he might check the turn to you which would then give you the choice between checking back & seeing a free card if another club doesn't land or betting out to try and take it down again (fwiw, I'd probably be checking back in that situation).
Posted by silentbob

spot on! just found out a hand i played earlier this morning, where this is a good example.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
HOTDOG55	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£22.18
wolftones	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£8.43
	Your hole cards	8 7
Eagle26	Raise		£0.80	£1.10	£55.84
xxx	Call		£0.80	£1.90	£34.54
lawlover	Fold
HOTDOG55	Fold
wolftones	Fold
Flop
		J 10 Q
Eagle26	Check
xxx	Bet		£0.95	£2.85	£33.59
Eagle26	Raise		£2.85	£5.70	£52.99
xxx	Call		£1.90	£7.60	£31.69
Turn
		6
Eagle26	Check
xxx	Check
River
		A
Eagle26	Bet		£5.70	£13.30	£47.29
xxx	Call		£5.70	£19.00	£25.99
Eagle26	Show	8 7
xxx	Muck	Q A
Eagle26	Win	Flush to the Ace	£18.05		£65.34

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

In position here I'm raising.  You were aggressive pre flop & I would say it's more likely he's hit his king rather than flopped the flush (& even if he has flopped the flush you're re-drawing to the nut flush) & you might even take the pot down there & then without having to hit. The other reason for raising here is that it might buy you a free card later down the line. If you raise it & your oppo just calls he might check the turn to you which would then give you the choice between checking back & seeing a free card if another club doesn't land or betting out to try and take it down again (fwiw, I'd probably be checking back in that situation).
Posted by silentbob

TBh when people bet out like he has I often look to what Hartigan says about why would you bet out a big hand, it would be better to check raise and get more value. On the flopped flush I never really think too much about this lol. I do like what you say about buying a free card on the turn which would be useful.

p.s. what does FWIW stand for lol ?

JingleMa

In Response to Re: Raise or Call?:

In Response to Re: Raise or Call? : TBh when people bet out like he has I often look to what Hartigan says about why would you bet out a big hand, it would be better to check raise and get more value. On the flopped flush I never really think too much about this lol. I do like what you say about buying a free card on the turn which would be useful. p.s. what does FWIW stand for lol ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

For What It's Worth.

Spikelad

Well as Tikay would say when asked a straightforward question like this,it depends,if your opponent has been playing tight then call if he has been playing loose then raise.

However if you have not had enough hands to assess his play then Heads or Tails lol.