poorly extracted value

tennispair

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
X	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.16
tennispair	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.95
Y	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£2.81
Z	Big blind		£0.04	£0.14	£0.96
	Your hole cards	8 6
V	Fold
Y	Check
Z	Check
W	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£1.56
X	Call		£0.02	£0.20	£1.14
tennispair	Check
Flop
		8 6 J
X	Check
tennispair	Check
Y	Check
Z	Check
W	Check
Turn
		3
X	Check
tennispair	Bet		£0.11	£0.31	£4.84
Y	Call		£0.11	£0.42	£2.70
Z	Fold
W	Call		£0.11	£0.53	£1.45
X	Fold
River
		2
tennispair	Bet		£0.36	£0.89	£4.48
Y	Fold
W	Fold
tennispair	Muck
tennispair	Win		£0.51		£4.99
tennispair	Return		£0.36	£0.02	£5.35

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Pre-flop
checked here because of 4 limpers + in big blind so getting free cards.

Flop
checked here because ive got 3 more to act behind plus if i lead then its like a big flashing light saying ive hit the flop! so a check raise or check call might be best here!? only worry is the 2 diamonds but its a risk worth taking atm.

Turn
I lead out this time with a 1/2 pot bet, board hasnt connected other than for flush draw. so i expect to be called by top pair & flush draw & maybe middle pair due to limits. called by 2 players here.

River
Defo think im ahead here, would be re-raised by sets/2 pair hands on turn...put in a 3/4 pot bet, both fold. Presume they were chasing flush draws.

Is there any way to get a bit more value out this hand? Do you agree with my reads?

BlackFish3

Bet each street.

Just BET BET BET.

Keep it simple.

Oh and id probs just pot bet flop, bet almost pot on turn, and whatever you think will get paid on river.

Dudeskin8

At this level no-one will bet their big hads, trust me. I had one player call off bets on all streets never raising with a flopped set of Aces, I had a setof 4's lol, luckily they never raised because they simply do not know the meaning of the word and I saved myself about 40 BB's.

In this hand on that wet flop I bet 15-17p, if i get called great if they all fold too bad. On turn if it gets there bet very close to pot as gotta bleed em at this stage. And as long as river isnt a heart or straight card bet close to pot again.

robc

In Response to Re: poorly extracted value:

At this level no-one will bet their big hads, trust me. I had one player call off bets on all streets never raising with a flopped set of Aces, I had a setof 4's lol, luckily they never raised because they simply do not know the meaning of the word and I saved myself about 40 BB's. In this hand on that wet flop I bet 15-17p, if i get called great if they all fold too bad. On turn if it gets there bet very close to pot as gotta bleed em at this stage. And as long as river isnt a heart or straight card bet close to pot again.
Posted by Dudeskin8

LOL i had someone check to me on every street with pocket aces, luckily i didn't try steal the pot with my 7 high.

Was funny though, when he was bluffing he would be super aggro, but just check every street with his big hands.

lynx3ffect

In Response to Re: poorly extracted value:

Bet each street. Just BET BET BET. Keep it simple. Oh and id probs just pot bet flop, bet almost pot on turn, and whatever you think will get paid on river.
Posted by BlackFish3

+1 - that flop is a mess, thin the field and keep the real hands in and value town em

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: poorly extracted value:

In Response to Re: poorly extracted value : LOL i had someone check to me on every street with pocket aces, luckily i didn't try steal the pot with my 7 high. Was funny though, when he was bluffing he would be super aggro, but just check every street with his big hands.
Posted by robc

I really love their logic of call any bet ALL-IN ALL-in on a draw !!....but the second they actually have a hand they do nothing, then go all in on the river lol. The one I like is the minbet on the flop then suddenly pot bet on turn, just really weird but helpful.

lynx3ffect

min bet flop, call raise, min bet turn, call raise. donk shove river. gg welcome to the nuts party

tennispair

cheers for the responses guys. agree with dudeskin about the draws. think its best to bet every street espc on drawy boards.

BlackFish3

loooool, check, check, check, min bet.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: poorly extracted value:

cheers for the responses guys. agree with dudeskin about the draws. think its best to bet every street espc on drawy boards.
Posted by tennispair

Oh yeah, sos about blanking you earlier, don't tend to chat much in cash games.

andy161703

I would probably be betting out on the flop after seeing that board, i think theres too many draws out there who would gladly take a free check to hit and then u could be in all sorts of problems! if everyone folds then so be it, take the pot down and move onto the next one but I wouldn't be checking that flop, i think a 2/3rd pot bet would be right cos any one with a jack would come along and any 8 prob calls!

Patching99

Here is how to extract value after flopping two pair ;-)

rossy88888	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.64
Patching99	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.82
	Your hole cards	5 3
LADYGUNS	Fold
sammiekd	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£0.72
jahar	Fold
1	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£10.97
rossy88888	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£2.62
Patching99	Check
Flop
		5 K 3
rossy88888	Check
Patching99	Bet		£0.12	£0.28	£4.70
sammiekd	Fold
1	Raise		£0.42	£0.70	£10.55
rossy88888	Fold
Patching99	Raise		£1.30	£2.00	£3.40
1	Raise		£4.00	£6.00	£6.55
Patching99	All-in		£3.40	£9.40	£0.00
1	Call		£0.40	£9.80	£6.15
Patching99	Show	5 3
1	Show	3 3
Turn
		9
River
		8
Patching99	Win	Flush to the King	£9.07		£9.07