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30NL - Solid Oppo, cbet, or not cbet? - and on the turn?
Alright guy hasnt got out of line, just won a huge pot with his Kings, looks pretty solid.
1) do you c bet?
2) Do you bet the turn?
3) How do you respond to his raise on the turn?
Thanx
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| evilfsh1 | Sit out | ||||
| corbett04 | Small blind | £0.15 | £0.15 | £33.40 | |
| wiljam | Big blind | £0.30 | £0.45 | £71.33 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £1.20 | £1.65 | £29.83 | |
| Ozzie08 | Fold | ||||
| corbett04 | Fold | ||||
| wiljam | Call | £0.90 | £2.55 | £70.43 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| wiljam | Check | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Bet | £1.80 | £4.35 | £28.03 | |
| wiljam | Call | £1.80 | £6.15 | £68.63 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| wiljam | Check | ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Bet | £4.20 | £10.35 | £23.83 | |
| wiljam | Raise | £8.40 | £18.75 | £60.23 | |
Comments
How about the £4.20 I bet on the turn...
Check behind the turn, and call his value bet on the end which wud be £4.20ish. (if a non-diamond comes)
And we wouldn't be discussing this now?
This is a serious post, coz it really is how I think!!!!!
Please correct me? I want an answer to this post, more so than the opening post.
Why is my thought process here wrong?
yes, 100%, you have position, the betting lead, and every reason to do so, you also make him pay to hit if he is only on a diamond draw.
i dont know the outcome of this hand dohhhhh, but i cant understand why u are beating yourself up over this turn bet?
if you do check the turn you have to call his value bet on the end if no diamond comes. This is most likely gonna be potsize anyway, so you wouldnt save yourself any beans, and you would be playing passive innit. this is not you!!!
hoggers
dohhhhhhh i would play the hand pretty much exactly the same, perhaps my flop/turn bets would be slightly bigger. personally i cant let this hand go just because of a min raise on the turn, im re shovin all-in here, if he has flopped the flush then fair play to him.... i honestly think this a great board for the villain to bluff with out of position, check/call flop, check/raise turn on a board like this--how strong does that look?? answer? it looks very strong! thats exactly why if i was the villian in this hand i would have played it almost exactly the same with any 2 cards against a player (like yourself) who i know is good enough to lay down top pair...he could have easily called your pre-flop raise with a small/medium pair which he has turned into a bluff on that board.
just think if he has really flopped the flush, would he actually min raise the turn?? would you really make your hand so obvious?? (depends on the ability of the player obviously) but personally i dont think so! if he has flopped trips, would he really check the flop/turn giving himself a great opportunity to be outdrawn if you check behind by any single diamond you may be holding? again i dont think so.
rightly or wrongly i read this as a bluff and i shove the turn. but hands like this and my thought processes are the reason i get myself into trouble so much, because i always try to put myself in the opponents shoes and i think they think how i would think!-if that makes sense? ... in reality your probably losin to a guy who dont know how to play the nuts properly so i definatly understand why ppl will say fold to the min-raise! but if i was in your shoes playin that hand, id read this as a bluff and get my money in! sadly as a result no doubt id see my money movin across table to the other guys stack! so don't listen to me lol
1) Pot control.
Firing another bet on the turn means that - even if we're simply called - we could be faced with a river bet of around ~£10. We have one pair on a board which, against this opponent, is going to be an unusual one for a solid opponent to begin getting out of line on.
2) Bluff catching.
Saying what I did above, we know that he is also going to have to bluff with missed diamond draws, as well as potentially make a mistaken value bet with the likes of KQ/KJ. I'd be more comfortable making that call for a bet of around £4 instead of £10, which is the danger we run by betting the turn.
As the hand plays, I would definitely fold the turn. The only hand we're beating which might make that move would be a Ax-Jd kind of hand, and even then we're not in tremendous shape and will again be facing a tricky river decision.
I think sometimes losing a little value in order to keep your decision making and hand balancing easier is worthwhile. Again, I might just be a bit too nitty though...
so many passive players ITT, you bet the turn for value because we have TPTK, we get value from Kxd, Adx, Jxd. QQ-77d (people are bad). on a side note them folding qq-77d is good for us because then we have 100% of the pot instead of 80% equity when we check back
also if you aren't betting this turn with TPTK i would love to see the hand strength that you would bet the turn with i mean if you have bottom set here what hands do you beat that are between AQ and 66 in hand strength apart from AJ that you can reasonably assume are in a solid person's range. the only difference between bottom set and AQ here is that we peel the turn and try to bink a boat with the set.
essentially you're saying that when you 2barrel this board you have a flush or nothing(semibluff goes here) and that makes your range super polarised, which is bad. i.e vs a polarised range villain should never fold 8x+ on a brick river but vs a balanced range which includes hands for thin value such as Ax he should be folding Kx.