Me (Goodie) V Baddie! any advice for new cash player?

BananaDog

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Baddie	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.36
JIGGSY	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£25.23
Ms_Chips	Sit out
	Your hole cards	Q Q
slh1980	Fold
JGIBBRFC	Fold
BananaDog	Raise		£0.60	£0.75	£17.51
Baddie	Call		£0.55	£1.30	£14.81
JIGGSY	Call		£0.50	£1.80	£24.73
Flop
		4 Q 2
Baddie	Check
JIGGSY	Check
BananaDog	Bet		£1.80	£3.60	£15.71
Baddie	Call		£1.80	£5.40	£13.01
JIGGSY	Call		£1.80	£7.20	£22.93
Turn
		6
Baddie	Check
JIGGSY	Check
BananaDog	Bet		£7.20	£14.40	£8.51
Baddie	All-in		£13.01	£27.41	£0.00
JIGGSY	Fold
BananaDog	Call		£5.81	£33.22	£2.70
Baddie	Show	3 5
BananaDog	Show	Q Q
River
		3
Baddie	Win	Straight to the 6	£31.82		£31.82

Dudeskin8

You did nothing wrong.

BananaDog

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You did nothing wrong.
Posted by Dudeskin8

phew..thanks, this is all new to me and Ive already been called a muppet once today! lol
I'm still having a sulk so I'm gonna go fill my face with ice-cream and then start again when the sugar kicks in!
x

Dudeskin8

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In Response to Re: Me (Goodie) V Baddie! any advice for new cash player? : phew..thanks, this is all new to me and Ive already been called a muppet once today! lol I'm still having a sulk so I'm gonna go fill my face with ice-cream and then start again when the sugar kicks in! x
Posted by BananaDog

Yeah, this is just a standard bad beat, so not much analysis if any. But keep posting some tough decision hands.

BananaDog

ok...here is another one. Now I did win this one but I was not happy when I saw how I'd won as I think i probably played it wrong and didn't think what the other guy could have had.... what do u think was I too over-aggressive/stubborn?
ps, the Baddie here was very loose aggressive going in and calling raises with any 2 cards, he would also call on the turn and only fold on river usually if he had missed....

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BananaDog	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.88
zaccy	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£6.90
	Your hole cards	J J
Baddie	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£31.17
richar1947	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£5.81
JGIBBRFC	Fold
Karnage	Fold
BananaDog	Raise		£0.45	£0.80	£9.43
zaccy	Fold
Baddie	Call		£0.40	£1.20	£30.77
richar1947	Call		£0.40	£1.60	£5.41
Flop
		6 7 6
BananaDog	Bet		£1.60	£3.20	£7.83
Baddie	Call		£1.60	£4.80	£29.17
richar1947	Fold
Turn
		5
BananaDog	Bet		£4.80	£9.60	£3.03
Baddie	All-in		£29.17	£38.77	£0.00
BananaDog	All-in		£3.03	£41.80	£0.00
Baddie	Unmatched bet		£21.34	£20.46	£21.34
BananaDog	Show	J J
Baddie	Show	3 4
River
		6
BananaDog	Win	Full House, 6s and Jacks	£19.06		£19.06

LOL_RAISE

after you bet the turn you can never fold with £3 behind id play it the same

BananaDog

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after you bet the turn you can never fold with £3 behind id play it the same
Posted by LOL_RAISE

thanks for replying Lolraise...after i won it I turned to my hubby and said "omg...I was so lucky then!" so thought Id post it cos I felt like it was a bit dodgy of me! lol
ps, your reply has also helped cos I never considered I would only have £3 left...it's something I need to keep in mind when I've put a lot of money in.

BlackFish3

On the first hand i think i would raise less than 6x with QQ. Or is this your standard raise size?

BananaDog

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On the first hand i think i would raise less than 6x with QQ. Or is this your standard raise size?
Posted by BlackFish3

ummm...ok dont laugh but I don't play cash (I play DYM's) so as a newby I had no idea what to raise...I raised a lot only cos there were 2 manic callers on the table. Maybe thats when i need to be more careful/passive rather than aggressive?
ps. I dont always raise that amount, I put more in cos I knew at least 1, probably 2 players who have been calling everything would call - not sure if that was good to build the pot or bad as the pot ended up out of control?

Dudeskin8

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In Response to Re: Me (Goodie) V Baddie! any advice for new cash player? : ummm...ok dont laugh but I don't play cash (I play DYM's) so as a newby I had no idea what to raise...I raised a lot only cos there were 2 manic callers on the table. Maybe thats when i need to be more careful/passive rather than aggressive? ps. I dont always raise that amount, I put more in cos I knew at least 1, probably 2 players who have been calling everything would call - not sure if that was good to build the pot or bad as the pot ended up out of control?
Posted by BananaDog

Definetely right idea to raise it up big pre, as like you say players like a call, so if their gonna call make it big.

BlackFish3

Well it might just be a bit obvious if you raise bigger with your bigger hands. So I would say keep your raise sizing the same or make it completely random.

zing

keep making it big and don't fall into the assumption bad players will recognise big raise = big hand, they don't

DOHHHHHHH

Well played banana - the first hand you can't play it any better/stronger and he still fished out on you!!

If you are getting 3-5 to call pre flop by raising 6xbb - its absolutely fine.

Bigger is better!!

And after what happened to you in the first hand, you deserved abit of luck in the 2nd hand!

You will win loads at the lower cash tables if you keep going like this - raisisng big with big hands is deffo the way to go!

Keep posting, be lucky

BananaDog

Thanks Blackfish, I'll keep my bet sizes in mind much more. I like to mix up my raise sizes but need to remember not to overbet with only the big hands as you say...thanks for the advice )

Zing & Dohhhhhhh, thanks for looking at the hands also - I was ready to quit cash last night cos i felt more confident on the doubles but I'm gonna carry on with cash and try to learn as much as I can )

lynx3ffect

first hand perfect, welcome to sky....most of the time those go for you and villain does a bunch with the inside draw just really hurts when he hits ...just remember those players are the reason you're here.

second hand is a bit tricky but given your stack size its bet/call turn or c/f and c/f so way too nitty and missing out on ton of value from mid pp and pair/sd combos picked up on turn

The_Don90

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In Response to Re: Me (Goodie) V Baddie! any advice for new cash player? : ummm...ok dont laugh but I don't play cash (I play DYM's) so as a newby I had no idea what to raise...I raised a lot only cos there were 2 manic callers on the table. Maybe thats when i need to be more careful/passive rather than aggressive? ps. I dont always raise that amount, I put more in cos I knew at least 1, probably 2 players who have been calling everything would call - not sure if that was good to build the pot or bad as the pot ended up out of control?
Posted by BananaDog

To be fair to you BananaDog, Ive been learning the cash games aswell, and as we both know we've met alot on DYM's and i think a couple of tounraments where we're both more comfortable. I usually raise 10BB pre flop with Jacks or better knowing people will call. So lets make them pay, although i see here some people disagree with this

lynx3ffect

its fine to raise that amount if you have calling stations at the table, theres no rule that say must raise 3x pre....its totally table dependant, you're missing out on a stack of value if someone calls EVERYTHING and you just keep raising 3x....you raise to 1. get value and 2. protect your hand

granted, 90% of the time raising more than 4 or 5x is overkill but sounds like you correctly read your table and adjusted to the dynamics, wp.

The_Don90

Heres on i could have played better maybe?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
RaaHell	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£3.60
halenpace	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£1.90
	Your hole cards	5 K
Baddie	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£1.78
shad31	Fold
TREVO47	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£9.75
RaaHell	Call		£0.05	£0.40	£3.55
halenpace	Check
Flop
		3 J 5
RaaHell	Check
halenpace	Check
mezza3	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.20	£0.60	£9.55
RaaHell	Fold
halenpace	Fold
Baddie	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£1.58
Turn
		9
Baddie	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£0.30	£1.10	£9.25
Baddie	Call		£0.30	£1.40	£1.28
River
		A
Baddie	Check
The_Don90	Check
Baddie	Show	K Q
The_Don90	Muck	5 K
Baddie	Win	Flush to the Ace	£1.30		£2.58

lynx3ffect

personally i fold pre but if you are going play which is ok IP, you should be raising so...

raise pre, bet/fold each street 

no value in limping, you need to define your oppos hand and by limping you have no idea what ur up aginst

as played you should bet more on flop and turn

yb

Either raise to 50p, or fold preflop. At these stakes I would just fold it, even with position there isn't much point in playing a hand like K5s as it's easy to hit top pair then start betting for value thinking your up against a calling station then find you're outkicked.

unknown_username

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Heres on i could have played better maybe? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance RaaHell Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £3.60 halenpace Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £1.90   Your hole cards 5 K       Baddie Call   £0.10 £0.25 £1.78 shad31 Fold         TREVO47 Fold         The_Don90 Call   £0.10 £0.35 £9.75 RaaHell Call   £0.05 £0.40 £3.55 halenpace Check         Flop     3 J 5       RaaHell Check         halenpace Check         mezza3 Check         The_Don90 Bet   £0.20 £0.60 £9.55 RaaHell Fold         halenpace Fold         Baddie Call   £0.20 £0.80 £1.58 Turn     9       Baddie Check         The_Don90 Bet   £0.30 £1.10 £9.25 Baddie Call   £0.30 £1.40 £1.28 River     A       Baddie Check         The_Don90 Check         Baddie Show K Q       The_Don90 Muck 5 K       Baddie Win Flush to the Ace £1.30   £2.58
Posted by The_Don90

Hi The_Don90
I would Fold this hand Pre-Flop in my opinion.

Calling with this type of hand pre-flop can get us into a whole heep of trouble when we hit on the flop.