bluffing

JONONZIE

 I bluft this hand and think the caller should have folded ?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bluebir708	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1720.00
JONONZIE	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1840.00
	Your hole cards	5 3
strat1111	Raise		60.00	90.00	1930.00
patey09	Call		60.00	150.00	1910.00
HITMAN_RV	Fold
Mcwood	Fold
bluebir708	Fold
JONONZIE	Call		40.00	190.00	1800.00
Flop
		7 10 6
JONONZIE	Check
strat1111	Bet		80.00	270.00	1850.00
patey09	Fold
JONONZIE	Call		80.00	350.00	1720.00
Turn
		K
JONONZIE	Check
strat1111	Check
River
		9
JONONZIE	Bet		320.00	670.00	1400.00
strat1111	Call		320.00	990.00	1530.00
JONONZIE	Show	5 3
strat1111	Show	A 10
strat1111	Win	Pair of 10s	990.00		2520.00

BelovedLtd

Was this a tournament?

Which one?

What was the buy in??

JONONZIE

 but this did help later on. a as my cards were shown and I was caught bluffing the next hand I played the other player did not believe I had a hand so called me downnd i managed to double up

JONONZIE

In Response to Re: bluffing:
? Which one? What was the buy in??
Posted by BelovedLtd
the 8.00 bounty £11.00 buy in and obviosly early stages

BelovedLtd

There's a fair amount of analysis to do straight away but I think it's better to ask the questions and make the observations in the right logical order

BelovedLtd

OK not too cheap then, obviously the really cheap games the answer is because no one ever folds a pair.

2nd question

Why do you think he should have folded?

LOL_RAISE

problem with bluffing here is that  he pot controls the turn so river is alwas going to be a smallish bet, unless you decide to overbet. also he can have flushes & straights in his range too so i dont really like it that much anyhow. just fold preflop!

JONONZIE

In Response to Re: bluffing:

OK not too cheap then, obviously the really cheap games the answer is because no one ever folds a pair. 2nd question Why do you think he should have folded?
Posted by BelovedLtd

well I bet the straight draw also one over card all not bet until the river someone with pair of tens should be seriously thinking their behind or not?

JONONZIE

whilst this is still my thread this is the hand I went out with in the same turny on reflection i should have folded (always easy after the event lol) but would you? the guy was new to the table but pretty lose

Shep27	Small blind		600.00	600.00	18527.50
animated_j	Big blind		1200.00	1800.00	35742.50
	Your hole cards	A A
giste	Fold
_TJ_	Fold
JONONZIE	Raise		2400.00	4200.00	17120.00
massey10	Fold
Shep27	Fold
animated_j	Call		1200.00	5400.00	34542.50
Flop
		3 9 9
animated_j	Check
JONONZIE	Bet		2400.00	7800.00	14720.00
animated_j	Raise		12600.00	20400.00	21942.50
JONONZIE	All-in		14720.00	35120.00	0.00
animated_j	Call		4520.00	39640.00	17422.50
animated_j	Show	9 J
JONONZIE	Show	A A
Turn
		K
River
		8
animated_j	Win	Three 9s	39640.00		57062.50

BelovedLtd

In Response to Re: bluffing:

In Response to Re: bluffing : well I bet the straight draw also one over card all not bet until the river someone with pair of tens should be seriously thinking their behind or not?
Posted by JONONZIE

But if you flopped a straight you slow played it too slow - ie you would have been wrong to check rather than get money in the pot

If you flopped a gutshot (which you did) then he was giving you the wrong odds to hit (which isn't hard as it's so unlikely to hit)

Strange as it may seem, most people will give you credit, so what check calling probably conveyed was that you'd hit top pair with a weaker kicker, and checking on the turn probably confirmed this.

Preflop: (in the nicest possible way) what were you thinking?

BelovedLtd

nb and if he thought you were on a draw it would have been a flush draw

If he thought that then the river bet would have just looked like a desperate bluff

I may have been giving him too much credit for thinking you'd hit a weak pair

JONONZIE

cheers BelovedLtd nice to see another side which should make us better players

BelovedLtd

There's a lot more to analyse than that

Go on go on go on

Preflop: (in the nicest possible way) what were you thinking?

BelovedLtd

Or to make it slightly shorter

What was your plan when you called preflop and what was your plan when you called the flop bet?

LOL_RAISE

the second hand is a super fist pump, do a little dance snap call btw.