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Hello again cash! Mwhaaa!
oh...who put that dam "bye bye cash" post up! Must have been a defeatists imposter!!!
It's a difficult decision for me for the simple fact that i make money on DYM's and I also get between £50 - £100 cash for points and £25-£75 for league points each month the last 3 months.....
..but I feel that I really should be able to get the hang of cash, yesterday the DYM's felt like RR's and I just want more out of my game and to learn more skills.
I'm not sure what level I should be on in relation to my bankroll but I've decided even if I can play slightly higher it's probably a good idea for me to stick with 2p/4p until I learn some self-control as I can be a tad bit over aggressive at times! lol
Hopefully sticking at this lower level will help me to get into the swing of it and start to eliminate some of my bad habits.
I'm also gonna play 3 tables (with full stacks) so I'm not tempted to play hands I shouldn't be playing!
After playing TK's £2 tourney on Monday I had soooooooo much fun that I really can't find the enjoyment of playing 30 DYM's a day and relying on my cash for points to help my bankroll each month so...CASH (I'm ready!) and maybe a tourney here and there.
After all in the wise words of that guy in that movie where he runs around in a skirt with blue make-up (Oh...what's it called? You know the one!)
"YOU CAN TAKE MY BANKROLL...BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY FREEDOM!!!!!"
It's a difficult decision for me for the simple fact that i make money on DYM's and I also get between £50 - £100 cash for points and £25-£75 for league points each month the last 3 months.....
..but I feel that I really should be able to get the hang of cash, yesterday the DYM's felt like RR's and I just want more out of my game and to learn more skills.
I'm not sure what level I should be on in relation to my bankroll but I've decided even if I can play slightly higher it's probably a good idea for me to stick with 2p/4p until I learn some self-control as I can be a tad bit over aggressive at times! lol
Hopefully sticking at this lower level will help me to get into the swing of it and start to eliminate some of my bad habits.
I'm also gonna play 3 tables (with full stacks) so I'm not tempted to play hands I shouldn't be playing!
After playing TK's £2 tourney on Monday I had soooooooo much fun that I really can't find the enjoyment of playing 30 DYM's a day and relying on my cash for points to help my bankroll each month so...CASH (I'm ready!) and maybe a tourney here and there.
After all in the wise words of that guy in that movie where he runs around in a skirt with blue make-up (Oh...what's it called? You know the one!)
"YOU CAN TAKE MY BANKROLL...BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY FREEDOM!!!!!"
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I played for about an hour and half and have come off 3x 2p/4p tables £7 up so I'm getting there!
Share the knowledge
Also if for instance I was in with a AJ suited knowing that I'm looking for a flush or straight I was getting sidetracked...so I would say miss the flush, miss the straight but because I had hit the A I would call a bet without odds anyway and at the end of the day 1 pair is just not enough.
I was just playing on a table with Don a min ago and I lost my stack with an A high flush to a full house...but I had the same thing on the other table and i folded my flush as I thought the guy had hit the full house.
So when I hit this one I shouted to my hubby "look I got the nut flush...." and as I bet and re-raise etc until all in I said to my hubby "he could have the full house though...." but because my hubby was looking at the screen from other side of the sofa he hadn't noticed the full house possibility.
After I lost my stack he asked if I would have just flat called it instead of going all in like he told me and i said yeah cos I had finally managed to notice these danger hands....but it was my fault for not doing my own thing and hubby felt bad cos he told me to go all in.
At the end of the day though i don't care I lost a few quid cos I feel like I'm taking a lot more notice of what people could be in with and can put them on hands more
...did any of that make sence at all Dohhhhh and Don?
I hear your the king of the bankroll management!
Can you let me know what levels i should be on for different amounts of money (If it's not too much hassle)
I'm still sticking with the 2/4 until I have good habits and more advanced thinking but it will be handy to know for when I am ready to move... I have a £410 br at moment.
Thanks honeypoo xxxx
I watched that hand and for your opponent to even be in the hand was horrile. UTG had raised it, and he'd called with J6, so idont see how you could have put him on that. Maybe a FH but the PP way but there had been no re-raise. Id have done the exact same Bananadog, infact im asure it was the same player who managed to tip my top pair twice to take my BR.
Very ul to loose the rest of your money to him Don, hopefully you'll get your cash in and I'll see you in the TKO tonight xxxx
Entered the TKO leaving me with 4.50, as planned, if it doesnt go well back to 2p/4p for me, although i wont try get up the levels as quick as i used to.
Hopefully this tenner will last a while had a terrible time of late, hense the fact it will be the last i put in for a while.
Banana Dog -
But glancing thru the thread......DON!!!
T.O.T Starts in an hour - WHAT R U THINKING!!
Seriously - bankroll management in poker is as important as knowing the rules!!!
SORT IT OUT!!
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here's looking forwards to tomorrow...I'm feeling much more confident with my ability to notice the important things and to stop being too stubborn to put a hand down
It's great fun learning a new game! All i need to do now is not get carried away too fast
Then I also had KK and hit the set on flop...got the lad all in with his 2 pair AK and he hit another A on last card which gave me KKKAA but him AAAKK (CRY!)
Again I'm dead happy though cos I was ahead when the money went in so it's looking positive and I actually ended the session £4 up! WOOHOO!!!!!
I've dipped my toes in the cash waters a few times but never enjoyed it much, I prefer the buzz of tournament situations, the thrill of coming first in a STT or MTT (even at low stakes) beats anything that happens on a cash table for me.
I tried cash the other week but just couldn't do it and then when I was playing the £2 TOT I used a little cash knowledge in the earlier stages and managed to get 2nd place! WOOHOO!!!!
Anyhoo...next day i just couldn't get back into the DYM's and thought I'd give cash another go...it has taken totally changing the way i play but I think in the long run it will be worth it (if I don't go broke first! lol)
I always tell everyone "OH I HATE CASH & I CAN'T PLAY TOURNEYS!" but what do you know..I actually can! It just takes a lot of discipline for me not to get over aggressive
Just had a very odd second session of the day....I was on 3 tables and had raised someone when my doberman decides to start puking all over the kitchen and my golden retriever is threatening to walk through it!!!!
i jumped off the sofa but when I got back I was sat out on every table and had lost the hands...stupid puking dog!!!!
I have just closed all 3 tables now thinking I was down a few quid but I was actually only down about 20p in the end! YEY!
Anyway....I hope you miss me on the DYMS! xxxxx
- Some times it's correct to lose all your money. It sounds daft, but if your holdng 4 kings on the river, he bets, you raise and he calls and shows you 4 aces - was it wrong to raise?
Obviously thats an extreme example, but theres alot like that in cash. Getting full value for hands is important, and yopur judgement shouldn't be clouded by previous bad experiences.
Looking back I didn't really have the odds to call for the flush card as he put half the pot in but he is also the sort of player to pay you if you do hit big so I called anyway.... he had hit a couple of full houses against my nut flushes before so I didn't go over the top betting at the end because even though he can go in with 2 random cards he doesn't stay in the pot unless he's hit something which is what set of warning signals!
ps..I'm not normaly a passive player but whilst I'm learning about cash hubby has made me calm it down until I understand odds..implied odds and how to control pots more as i was loosing money. If I was playing my own way I would have been over shoving my cash in on the flush draw but as he says "they can be playing any 2 cards on 2/4 so control the pot"!
C
To be honest when he shoved his money in I took the risk against him maybe having the flush...he didn't but it's the same guy as the hand before...
Ah, yeh ur right to just make the call here on a board with 2 pairs.....
How about if the river was the 2 of hearts rather than the 3 to pair the board...
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"you know when we take the dogs to the field and they just fly across the grass like lunatics? Well that is what you were like in cash...now you have a headcollar on and even though you still wanna pull you can't go to fast...maybe it makes more sence to you that way"
CHARMING!!!! lol
In the KK hand you did nothing wrong (though maybe your preflop raise was a bit on the big side?) but once that flop comes down I would fistpump get the monies in asap. Even in the unlikely event he has the flush we are still about a 35% chance to win the hand.
With the other 2 hands I guess it's ok to limp in preflop with drawing hands at 2p/4p as nearly all the players like seeing flops and will pay you off if you hit big, but when you start moving up the levels you should try to raise whenever you want to enter a pot. Also, in the A4 hand, just say you had hit an ace on the flop rather than a flush draw, could you have got away from it if another player started betting into you?
With the A4 hand if only the A had come down i would have immediately got away from it as I was looking for the flush and nothing else....the way i used to play I would get side-tracked with only the A and then leak money that way but I have stopped all that and keep in my mind what i was looking to hit, and if i miss I get out the pot.
When I first started having a go on cash I went to 5/10p and I was raising into pots rather than limping but I went down levels to learn properly as I would miss the flush but hit A high or 2 pair and play over aggressively when the hand is really not good enough...now I've moved down to gain experience and better habit's i find I have to limp more as they all like to call raises, limp and hit seems to be the best way here.
Can't wait to go up a couple of levels though as I feel I'm missing out on the more normal play but hey-ho we all have to start somewhere! lol
Any tips always welcome
But if we assume villain is loose passive (which most 2p/4p players are) and only raises pre with premiums then we should fold as its unlikely both cards are live.