Value bet or not?

Dudeskin8

Rumen1gge	Small blind		75.00	75.00	3300.00
council005	Big blind		150.00	225.00	6690.00
	Your hole cards	J K
droid	Call		150.00	375.00	15910.00
Dudeskin8	Raise		450.00	825.00	7785.00
lucky77777	Fold
Rumen1gge	Fold
council005	Call		300.00	1125.00	6390.00
droid	Call		300.00	1425.00	15610.00
Flop
		A J J
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8	Bet		712.50	2137.50	7072.50
council005	Call		712.50	2850.00	5677.50
droid	Call		712.50	3562.50	14897.50
Turn
		5
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8	Check
River
		Q
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8

Raise pre standard 3x 2 callers flop heaven, c-bet as usual and 2 callers not bad 1 would be better. Then nightmare turn as one shorly has flush, both check so I check just incase then River both check again. So is there a value bet to be made here or just check it down ?

BlackFish3

I bet turn in position i think. Deffo bet river as played.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:

I bet turn in position i think. Deffo bet river as played.
Posted by BlackFish3

How much do you bet and do you call a shove ?

yb

If you bet river you played it perfectly I think.

Around 1500-1800 is good imo.

Cowgomoo

I'd bet like 1900 and fold to a raise.

BlackFish3

about half pot sounds good. and nooo you can't call a shove, you would beat like nothing.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:

about half pot sounds good. and nooo you can't call a shove, you would beat like nothing.
Posted by BlackFish3

So isn't checking in position the better play ?

Cowgomoo

In Response to Re: Value bet or not?:

In Response to Re: Value bet or not? : So isn't checking in position the better play ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

No because you are missing out on value from the all the Ax that are going to call you down blindly because "you cant possibly have a jack, it's so unlikely", but if you get raised you can be assured that 99 times out of 100 you are not being bluffed.

Norbit

I like your posts Dudeskin, always good to think about...well esp for me

I would actually bet the turn with king of diamonds in my hand.

On the river im like the rest of the posts n bet about 1/2 pot lil bit more maybe and folding to a shove.

OMahonyO

i dont mind ur turn check, i would bet 1500 ish on river

LOL_RAISE

make it 4x pre instead of 3x, you ideally would want to win this preflop or get HU to the flop in position,
bet more on the flop as its 3way theres an ace that nobody is folding and also lots of potential draws, as you have the Kd in your hand i would bet the turn aswell, could possibly fold if droid shoves but that depends if you have any idea of his limp/calling range?  i would shove river if either flat called the turn.

Dudeskin8

Well in the end I decided to check on the river, but tbh I know I lost value as not many player will check a made flush on the river so I really should have made some sort of bet. Amazed to see one had AK really should have had it all on on flop and defo on turn if not for stupid diamond lol .

Rumen1gge	Small blind		75.00	75.00	3300.00
council005	Big blind		150.00	225.00	6690.00
	Your hole cards	J K
droid	Call		150.00	375.00	15910.00
Dudeskin8	Raise		450.00	825.00	7785.00
lucky77777	Fold
Rumen1gge	Fold
council005	Call		300.00	1125.00	6390.00
droid	Call		300.00	1425.00	15610.00
Flop
		A J J
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8	Bet		712.50	2137.50	7072.50
council005	Call		712.50	2850.00	5677.50
droid	Call		712.50	3562.50	14897.50
Turn
		5
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8	Check
River
		Q
council005	Check
droid	Check
Dudeskin8	Check
council005	Show	A K
droid	Show	10 Q
Dudeskin8	Show	J K
Dudeskin8	Win	Three Jacks	3562.50		10635.00

BlackFish3

dont be scared by flush draw getting there, i used to always get really scared and assume cuz they flat called flop they must have flush draw and had obvs hit on turn. Just bet it and u can fold to a raise. Otherwise u lose value.