C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff

The_Don90

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.47
timdog1540	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.82
	Your hole cards	3 K
Gigglez	Fold
JR302	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.13
Sir_Walter	Fold
boxcarjo	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£1.04
The_Don90	Raise		£0.10	£0.24	£2.37
timdog1540	Fold
JR302	Call		£0.08	£0.32	£3.05
boxcarjo	Call		£0.08	£0.40	£0.96
Flop
		9 J 5

Right i hadnt played a hand for a while here, so decided time to raise it up, table hasnt changed for a long time so i knew players would maybe take notice.

So how much should i c-bet to find out what my opponent has?

beaneh

31 English pence.

DO NOT DO THIS RAISE IN FUTURE THOUGH. ta. 

the size of the raise is bad, and the position you'll find yourself in on every street smells of not nice.

Sky_Dave

OK, I am going to play the foil to Beaneh here, just to get the conversation developed. Disclaimer: I am not saying I disagree with him, but I probably do anyway...

So, if you're not raising preflop with K-3s, are you suggesting we fold pre? Isn't king-high a favourite against a random hand in the big blind? Yes we know we have to play the hand out of position, etc, but doesn't folding this mean we are playing a little too tight?

You can discuss flat-calling out of the small blind too, if you like? Again, I'd rather be raising and being the aggressor in the hand so I can c-bet more convincingly on a larger range of flops, but limping in with a suited king in the small blind can't be utterly terrible can it? (so long as you're not constantly limping...).

Right, let 'em rip chaps!

lynx3ffect

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff:

OK, I am going to play the foil to Beaneh here, just to get the conversation developed. Disclaimer: I am not saying I disagree with him, but I probably do anyway... So, if you're not raising preflop with K-3s, are you suggesting we fold pre? Isn't king-high a favourite against a random hand in the big blind? Yes we know we have to play the hand out of position, etc, but doesn't folding this mean we are playing a little too tight? You can discuss flat-calling out of the small blind too, if you like? Again, I'd rather be raising and being the aggressor in the hand so I can c-bet more convincingly on a larger range of flops, but limping in with a suited king in the small blind can't be utterly terrible can it? (so long as you're not constantly limping...). Right, let 'em rip chaps!
Posted by Sky_Dave

beanehhhhs gonna get get ya

im too tired from reading/replying all of thedons posts to answer

beaneh

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff:

OK, I am going to play the foil to Beaneh here, just to get the conversation developed. Disclaimer: I am not saying I disagree with him, but I probably do anyway... So, if you're not raising preflop with K-3s, are you suggesting we fold pre? Isn't king-high a favourite against a random hand in the big blind? Yes we know we have to play the hand out of position, etc, but doesn't folding this mean we are playing a little too tight? You can discuss flat-calling out of the small blind too, if you like? Again, I'd rather be raising and being the aggressor in the hand so I can c-bet more convincingly on a larger range of flops, but limping in with a suited king in the small blind can't be utterly terrible can it? (so long as you're not constantly limping...). Right, let 'em rip chaps!
Posted by Sky_Dave

Ok to reprhase I think I could play K3s profitably for a raise out of the sb at nl4 however if we're new to the game and having to post lots of hands to get help/learn these are the sort of situations you want to cut down on rather than just small raising pots oop and playing weak hands against wide ranges with no reads.

And yes i'm saying fold pre. we aren't deep enough to flat cawl imo.

LOL_RAISE

this isnt a HU blind v blind spot, this is going to be a 4way pot OOP with K3.

Sky_Dave

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff:

this isnt a HU blind v blind spot, this is going to be a 4way pot OOP with K3.
Posted by LOL_RAISE

That's a very fair point OK, so let's take this on two tangents; the four-way hand with K3 (in which case I agree more with beaneh that this is a bit too murky), or in a HU blind vs blind one. Discuss both.

beaneh

ya but we have puppy feet.

GREEN CARDS ALWAYS WINS (top tip that)

beaneh

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff:

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff : That's a very fair point OK, so let's take this on two tangents; the four-way hand with K3 (in which case I agree more with beaneh that this is a bit too murky), or in a HU blind vs blind one. Discuss both.
Posted by Sky_Dave

hu bvb in the bb raise two napkins who cares.

oop multiway playa  bit tighter!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: C-betting with a failed pre flop bluff:

ya but we have puppy feet. GREEN CARDS ALWAYS WINS (top tip that)
Posted by beaneh

Im a blue man lol.