I've managed to annoy the Prime Minister David Cameron

unknown_username

Watching BBC Breakfast on TV yesterday while getting ready for work, they said our dear PM would be on the programme rabbiting about his so called 'Big Society' and if we had any questions for him just e-mail them in.

OK I thought, I'll just do that. Lo and behold, 10 minutes later up he pops and the first question out was mine.

The presenter starts "Prime Minister, Michael  says that he thinks that your 'Big Society' is unworkable and that the vast majority of the general public aren't interested, isn't this just part of you smoke and mirrors act to disguise the cuts in local council services and the civil service?"

Cameron's face was a picture!! he could hardly contain himself at being criticised. He was well cheesed off! At work I got claps all round and quite "well done's" from the senior management. This may well be due to the fact that if Cameron and his hatchet man Eric Pickles get their way we could be the next to lose our jobs.

Afterwards it was picked up on the Today programme and The Guardian. Since then there seem to be one or two other newspapers putting exactly the same question.

I think if Cameron ever finds out where I live I'll probably get a visit from the Men In Black!!


Oh to strike a blow for the working man!!

emilyegg

LOL Nice One Bobcat, that'll teach the c*** to lie on the Telly.

AIRWALKER

Well done m8 lol.  I think that you are right about no one being bothered even if it isnt a smoke screen for the cuts ( that any pol party would have made ).

Its like he has peter pan type utopia dreams and wants them to be reality. Sounds like he wants us to be westernised communists to me.

People who want to do things in and on behalf of their own communities already do and those who dont, dont.

Nothing will change. I wonder if my neighbour wants to show some community spirit by lending me his brand new Jag, his professional golf clubs and 500 quid pmsl.

lozgo

i would loved to have seen this... the smug ejit getting a slap form a member of the public..priceless!!

loonytoons

TBF i think we do need cuts in the public service. It is unsustainable the way it is at the moment, as you were applauded by senior managers then i can only assume you are a civil servant? I personally welcome the cuts in the government spend, and no i don't think that frontline services and fronline workers have to be reduced, just a vast majority of backroom managers / co ordinators/ facilitators/ 5 a day mentors etc and under utilised services. Our council says it provides over 429 services, thats far too many, quangos are another. ive seen at 1st hand managers duplicating work done in other areas, and often forwarding a paper trail from one to another that could be done a lot simpler, and then they have the cheek to hire 'consultants'. In my workplace we employ people that know and do what they are employed for, we dont employ them and then employ consultants as well to help them! In my firm we have lost 25% of the workforce in the past 3 years, down from 7000 to under 5000, but we know that the work has dried up so although we dont like it, we accept it, we have also taken a pay freeze for the last 2 years, everyone needs to accept that we are in a recession, and it aint gonna disappear, their will be job cuts and wage freezes no matter how well we dislike it, and its no good just blaming the banks, its government as well at fault, but we have to put it right or its not just us but our kids that will pay. As for 'the big society' yeh thats a bit 'gimmicky' as well.

QDMCGRAW

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i would loved to have seen this... the smug ejit getting a slap form a member of the public..priceless!!
Posted by lozgo

Here's the link loz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-r_m6rbUA

NoseyBonk

Not read much about this "big society". Isn't that what they've got in America already? So we're going to be opening many more burger joints and trippling all portions? Is that da big oidea?

unknown_username

thee wants to be in the construction industry loony,its decimated,living from week to week not knowing if you can pay your mortgage. im phoning everywhere nowt, im driving to half finished sites nowt all closed up,you might get abit of work but they want you to do it for next to nothing and you,ve gotta do it cuz you need the money its so depressing.nows the time i wished i were abit more intelligent and studied more when i were at school(even tho i studied to be a joiner)i just followed me dad.
still, we live like kings compared to some i,ve got me health me family me poker thats what i think about its hard now and for the foreseeable but really im so lucky,so when im feeling down thats what i think about and i soon forget about me problems.sorry for the moan but these politicians do me head all of them.
btw twyfords has just shut down just down the road from me production down 75% they aint got a pot to p i s s in now 1500 jobs gone

loonytoons

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thee wants to be in the construction industry loony,its decimated,living from week to week not knowing if you can pay your mortgage. im phoning everywhere nowt, im driving to half finished sites nowt all closed up,you might get abit of work but they want you to do it for next to nothing and you,ve gotta do it cuz you need the money its so depressing.nows the time i wished i were abit more intelligent and studied more when i were at school(even tho i studied to be a joiner)i just followed me dad. still, we live like kings compared to some i,ve got me health me family me poker thats what i think about its hard now and for the foreseeable but really im so lucky,so when im feeling down thats what i think about and i soon forget about me problems.sorry for the moan but these politicians do me head all of them. btw twyfords has just shut down just down the road from me production down 75% they aint got a pot to p i s s in now 1500 jobs gone
Posted by stokefc

I know what ya mean, i just feel that people in the public sector are 'buffeted' at the moment from the effects of the recession, in my work, not a year goes by without more redundancies, but we just get on with it, it just seems that the public sector seem to believe its a guaranteed job for life, and if their are any mention of 'downsizing' its pandemonium! Why dont they have a total ban on stupid, useless, patronising government ads for a year, and a ban on non front line recruitment. One point, im not having a go at the public sector, i just think they should get realistic, a lot of frontline workers (teachers, doctors, nurses, police, military, fire service, bins, transport) do a wonderful job, but loads of departments are top heavy with managers and some departments do little or nothing to improve our way of life but are just parasites feeding off, and doing nothing for the greater good of the population!

unknown_username

In Response to Re: I've managed to annoy the Prime Minister David Cameron:

In Response to Re: I've managed to annoy the Prime Minister David Cameron : I know what ya mean, i just feel that people in the public sector are 'buffeted' at the moment from the effects of the recession, in my work, not a year goes by without more redundancies, but we just get on with it, it just seems that the public sector seem to believe its a guaranteed job for life, and if their are any mention of 'downsizing' its pandemonium! Why dont they have a total ban on stupid, useless, patronising government ads for a year, and a ban on non front line recruitment. One point, im not having a go at the public sector, i just think they should get realistic, a lot of frontline workers (teachers, doctors, nurses, police, military, fire service, bins, transport) do a wonderful job, but loads of departments are top heavy with managers and some departments do little or nothing to improve our way of life but are just parasites feeding off, and doing nothing for the greater good of the population!
Posted by loonytoons

i totally agree m8 keep the ones we need and those that work hard get rid of the dossers (which there thousands) it will save millions

emilyegg

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In Response to Re: I've managed to annoy the Prime Minister David Cameron : i totally agree m8 keep the ones we need and those that work hard get rid of the dossers (which there thousands) it will save millions
Posted by stokefc

If Only Stoke....If Only.

Gutted for folk like yourself (tradesmen) who are getting no joy on any sites at the minute. Until recently I worked in Utilities and spent a lot of time installing on new-builds. Less and Less workers on sites over the last 18 months and the majority of folk that were doing a bit were not from the UK. Sad state of affairs really.

loonytoons

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In Response to Re: I've managed to annoy the Prime Minister David Cameron : i totally agree m8 keep the ones we need and those that work hard get rid of the dossers (which there thousands) it will save millions
Posted by stokefc

In the private sector you get a duffer in that aint any good, you get rid of them. A mate of mine in the public sector told me that if your rubbish, he will give you a good yearly evaluation so you get promoted and transfered out of his department! He said that loads of people that are useless are in positions of authority. Have you ever noticed that government agencies are the most efficient people in the world! - when it comes to collecting... income tax, NI, road tax, fines etc, but if you ever have to use their services for your own benefit they are completely useless and everything takes ages!! When local government talk about services having to be cut, have you noticed its always the special needs schools or the OAP day centres that they wheel out to be cut first, thats because they know it will create a load of negative publicity, they never say we will have to lay off 10 facilitators that co ordinate the greater awareness in and tranformation to healthy eating do they? If they did lay these type of employees off im sure the whole country would collapse eh?

unknown_username

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you but I've had other things to deal with. Until I read your last post Loonytoons I was under the impression that I was dealing with an intelligent person. As you seem to believe the drivel spouted by your mate I can only assume that I was wrong in my assumption.

This post is totally different to the reply I was going to give you in response to your original post.

Staff who deal with the issues of healthy eating are employed by the NHS and not the local authorities. If you are in a situation where something does takes ages to sort out (such as housing benefit for example it is usually a case of small teams dealing with a large number of cases (how many people live/work/are unemployed or are low paid and on other benefits in your town/city?) where sometimes forms are incorrectly completed with data omitted or wrong information given? Sometimes these resources have to deal with people who come into the offices personally to deal with and explain things to people who's first language is not English or can only speak Urdu/Bengali/Somali etc.

Councils (and Government departments) have given budgets and priorities to deal with and have to follow protocols laid down in law by the MP's you have voted for who together with Whitehall mandarins (advisers)in turn tell those who run local services what services they're in charge of and how much they have got to do it.

When cuts are to be made ( which is now) all services are looked at which do include day centres. Other services also get hit (transport, leisure services, street cleaning, policing). Most of the public don;t kick up a fuss unless it directly affects them. If you live in a big city you won't give a monkey's if council funded bus services to rural villages are axed because you don't live there likewise if you live in a rural village or an upmarket city centre apartment and they close the swimming baths in a run down part of the city that you don't use you're not going to cry about it are you? 

Back room and support services are usually hit before these happen which then takes longer for you to get your boiler fixed or your front door replaced or your council tax rebate paid back to you. Factor in things like sickness or holidays and quite often there's only one or two (or sometimes no one) there who can deal with your issue.

I could go on and on all day about this but let me say this. The next time you talk to your mate, take plenty of toilet paper with you because it's quite obvious he talks out of his orifice!!

loonytoons

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Apologies for the delay in getting back to you but I've had other things to deal with. Until I read your last post Loonytoons I was under the impression that I was dealing with an intelligent person. As you seem to believe the drivel spouted by your mate I can only assume that I was wrong in my assumption. This post is totally different to the reply I was going to give you in response to your original post. Staff who deal with the issues of healthy eating are employed by the NHS and not the local authorities. If you are in a situation where something does takes ages to sort out (such as housing benefit for example it is usually a case of small teams dealing with a large number of cases (how many people live/work/are unemployed or are low paid and on other benefits in your town/city?) where sometimes forms are incorrectly completed with data omitted or wrong information given? Sometimes these resources have to deal with people who come into the offices personally to deal with and explain things to people who's first language is not English or can only speak Urdu/Bengali/Somali etc. Councils (and Government departments) have given budgets and priorities to deal with and have to follow protocols laid down in law by the MP's you have voted for who together with Whitehall mandarins (advisers)in turn tell those who run local services what services they're in charge of and how much they have got to do it. When cuts are to be made ( which is now) all services are looked at which do include day centres. Other services also get hit (transport, leisure services, street cleaning, policing). Most of the public don;t kick up a fuss unless it directly affects them. If you live in a big city you won't give a monkey's if council funded bus services to rural villages are axed because you don't live there likewise if you live in a rural village or an upmarket city centre apartment and they close the swimming baths in a run down part of the city that you don't use you're not going to cry about it are you?  Back room and support services are usually hit before these happen which then takes longer for you to get your boiler fixed or your front door replaced or your council tax rebate paid back to you. Factor in things like sickness or holidays and quite often there's only one or two (or sometimes no one) there who can deal with your issue. I could go on and on all day about this but let me say this. The next time you talk to your mate, take plenty of toilet paper with you because it's quite obvious he talks out of his orifice!!
Posted by bobcat52

Ha ha, i knew i may have hit a raw nerve, the truth often hurts, your last sentence says it all lol, so everyone that works in the civil service is vital, anyone who says something derogatory against the civil service is talking drivel, and those that listen are fools? As for your statement about the NHS and not the local authorities dealing with healthy eating, well NHS, local authorities, national authorities, etc etc, they are all paid through taxes so it hardly matters what department is responsible. I actually made that job title up as a daft example, however from your response, it seems there are probably some of these people actually employed by the government lol. As for all government workers being highly motivated - dont make me laugh! When i have had dealings with various departments, they are often contradictatory with their advice, often vague with their replies, and sometimes don't even know their own departmental policies. I'm not saying all government workers are bad, but i can only go on from when i've had dealing with them, to say that their cannot be cuts is just looking out for your own self preservation which is understandable, like when you so eloquently stated about rural buses not affecting the city dwellers. One final point, my boiler broke last year and the workers were here the next day to fix it, ok i had to pay extra for the priority call out but it was still done, and if my front door ever happens to need fixing, i'm sure that could be done the next day as well.

unknown_username

It would seem that your mind is closed to debate and that you quite happy to take as gospel whatever you read in the Sun newspaper so there's no real point in engaging in a reasoned discussion....'nuf said!

emilyegg

I thought the Sun told the truth. I hope that doesn't mean that the NOTW is a load of pap as well ;0)

unknown_username

Would I try to mislead you Ems???

unknown_username

i.ll do your front door loony lmao...anyway.
went to renew our tax credits yesterday this is how it went after finally getting through all the rigmarole of security.
me:hello i want to renew me tax credits
woman:have you got your figures
me:yes ive got my wifes gross and net and ive got mine(gives figures)
woman:no,no i want the figures before any tax is taken off and i want the figures after tax is taken off??
me:yes ive just told you them figures
woman:no you havent you,ve told me the gross and net figures,i want the figures before and after tax
me:yes thats what those figures ive told you are,gross and net
woman no sorry you will have to ring back when you have the figures before and after tax bye bye
i put the phone down and phone back immediately and i get a bloke gives him the figures he understood the figures and now my tax credits are being processed
this is nothing to do with it being a bloke or a woman  i couldnt give a monkeys but what im saying one was completely useless and one was competent,which one should be given their cards,probably none of them

loonytoons

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It would seem that your mind is closed to debate and that you quite happy to take as gospel whatever you read in the Sun newspaper so there's no real point in engaging in a reasoned discussion....'nuf said!
Posted by bobcat52

only the 'news in briefs' on page three! For what its worth you would never catch me reading any low standard gossip newspapers, i tend to peruse the more upmarket papers such as the daily star and the sunday sport!

emilyegg

LOL, they are like broadsheets compared to the Sun. Would rather read graffiti on the back of a sihthouse door than that rag.....It is probably more accurate too.