c bet facing flop shove..........

donkeyplop

what would you do here?

villain had been bit loose previously.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxx	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£10.98
	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.32
	Big blind		£0.08	£0.20	£3.12
	Your hole cards	A K
	Check
	Fold
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.40	£0.60	£5.10
	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.36	£0.96	£10.62
	Fold
	Call		£0.32	£1.28	£2.80
Flop
		10 10 A
xxx	Check
	Bet		£0.08	£1.36	£2.72
donkeyplop	Raise		£1.16	£2.52	£3.94
xxx	All-in		£10.62	£13.14	£0.00
	Fold
donkeyplop	???

donkeyplop

and another!!!!

im obvs behind in this one but do i call hoping to make k high flush?

one hand i folded one i called!

what would all you high rollers do???

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
donkeyplop	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£10.15
xxx	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£9.72
	Your hole cards	A K
	Fold
	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£10.33
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.28	£0.48	£9.87
xxx	Call		£0.24	£0.72	£9.48
	Call		£0.24	£0.96	£10.09
Flop
		3 9 7
donkeyplop	Bet		£0.48	£1.44	£9.39
xxx	All-in		£9.48	£10.92	£0.00
	Fold
donkeyplop	???

Dudeskin8

Fold both. Also 1st hand you should have topped up.

donkeyplop

yeah i know the first i should of topped up.

i had taken a few hits in the last few hands was just about to top up.

DOHHHHHHH

Im not folding the first one!!!!

I can't call fast enough!

The second one is an easy fold though.......

donkeyplop

thats good to here dohhhh as i called the first folded second..............

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:

Im not folding the first one!!!! I can't call fast enough! The second one is an easy fold though.......
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

But doesn't it smell a bit fishy how he min-bets then shoves once the raise comes in, does he really have a worse Ace and do this ?

donkeyplop

it was someone else who min bet!

guy after me shoved.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:

it was someone else who min bet! guy after me shoved.
Posted by donkeyplop

Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?

Patching99

I call first one but fold the second.  Infact think I just had an almost identical hand as the first one, i called, did a little dance then realised they flopped a full house.

I'll go try find it now.

Patching99

MrBen588	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.24
swfc1867	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.79
Hibs71	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£3.69
	Your hole cards	Q A
blondynka7	Fold
Hibs71	Check
ffs	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£5.05
Patching99	Raise		£0.16	£0.30	£7.41
MrBen588	Fold
swfc1867	Call		£0.12	£0.42	£1.67
Hibs71	Fold
ffs	Call		£0.12	£0.54	£4.93
Flop
		3 A A
swfc1867	Bet		£0.08	£0.62	£1.59
ffs	Call		£0.08	£0.70	£4.85
Patching99	Raise		£0.67	£1.37	£6.74
swfc1867	Fold
ffs	All-in		£4.85	£6.22	£0.00
Patching99	Call		£4.26	£10.48	£2.48
ffs	Show	3 3
Patching99	Show	Q A
Turn
		5
River
		7
ffs	Win	Full House, 3s and Aces	£9.70		£9.70

ok a bit different but close

Dudeskin8

That's completely dfferent, ofcourse you're not folding trips there.

Patching99

Yeah thought it was the same when I read the post but just realised there was two 10's on donkeys board not two aces.

Must lay off the beers :-(

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

No not really.

Played online for 5 years, and I just call here.

Never really had reasoning behind what I do, and always been  winning player.

Now Im trying to understand why I do what I do, I aint winning newhere near as much as I used to.

Im just calling, coz more times than not, Im winning, simple az - do something long enough, u get to no whats right/wrong instinctively I guess.

donkeyplop

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : Oh yeah, didn't notice, well doesn't this make it an even easier fold. I'm no great player but I can't see why you would call, Doh can you explain why you would ?
Posted by Dudeskin8

not sure about dohhhhh?

but my thinking was if the guy did have the 10 why would he go all in??

yb

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove..........:

In Response to Re: c bet facing flop shove.......... : not sure about dohhhhh? but my thinking was if the guy did have the 10 why would he go all in??
Posted by donkeyplop

Because he's playing against 2 short stackers and so any raise will get him pot committed anyway? Also there's possible flush/straight draws to protect against and also most players at the micro stakes struggle to fold a pair of aces so shove /> call here with a T imo.

donkeyplop

this is what hapened.

maybe the call was player dependent as he had called down all the streets with ace 4 vs jj 2 hands before!!!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxx	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£10.98
	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.32
	Big blind		£0.08	£0.20	£3.12
	Your hole cards	A K
	Check
	Fold
donkeyplop	Raise		£0.40	£0.60	£5.10
	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.36	£0.96	£10.62
	Fold
	Call		£0.32	£1.28	£2.80
Flop
		10 10 A
xxx	Check
	Bet		£0.08	£1.36	£2.72
donkeyplop	Raise		£1.16	£2.52	£3.94
xxx	All-in		£10.62	£13.14	£0.00
	Fold
donkeyplop	All-in		£3.94	£17.08	£0.00
xxx	Unmatched bet		£5.52	£11.56	£5.52
xxx	Show	6 A
donkeyplop	Show	A K
Turn
		4
River
		K
donkeyplop	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Kings	£10.70		£10.70

Dudeskin8

I guess you knew your fish well, but for me I'd probably still fold, probably too tight but it just looks like a ten trying to kill the hand here, hoping to get called by Ax.