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Pointers in live poker etiquette

edited September 2010 in The Sky Poker Tour
Great stuff Dai! Good to see and share a table with you in Swansea! You're a top man!

Very unlucky with you're out hand very deep into the tourney (see No.1 on your list) but very well played anyway mate!

Sorry to hear you feel the need to take a break! Get back sooner rather than later!

Chris

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  • edited August 2010
    Hi all
    After three days of live poker here are some pointers in poker etiquette some of this may not apply to the sky poker tour Swansea players on Saturday (10 and 9) but may help if have never played live or only played live on the odd occasion.
     
    10. Shower: The last thing you want to do is annoy your table with bad personal hygiene. Most people don’t need to be told this, but sitting beside a dirty, foul-smelling individual is extremely unpleasant. If you know you wouldn’t enjoy it, have the courtesy to show up clean and smelling like roses.
    9. Look Good: There may not be evidence to support the correlation between how well you dress and your work performance, but looking dapper certainly isn’t going to hurt your confidence. People are also going to respect you more if you’re wearing nice clothes as opposed rags and you should always take any advantage you can get.
    8. Check Your Cards Carefully: While it seems incredibly obvious that you don’t want to be looking at your cards in such a way that your neighbouring opponents get a peek too, it does happen. Hold your cards as close to the edge of the table as possible and only lift the corners up. Once you look, put a chip on your cards so the dealer knows they’re in play and try to commit them to memory so you don’t have to look at them throughout the hand.
    7. Don’t Talk About Your Cards during a Hand: There’s nothing more annoying than players who talk about the cards they folded while a hand is still in progress. For example, in a heads-up pot, the flop comes down 7s-7h-Ts and a player who has already folded exclaims, “I folded 8-7 boyo.” It’s ignorant, rude, and stupid. Don’t do it – nobody cares what you folded if there are still players contesting the pot.
    6. Don’t tank for too long: Nobody says you have to act quickly, but don’t agonize over a call for 10 minutes. It should never be that difficult and, if it is, you’re doing something wrong. At most, a tough decision should take you a minute or two; anything longer is just an unnecessary delay.
    5. Don’t Muck until You See the Winning Hand: Mucking your cards is fine, but never throw them in the middle until you see a hand that beats yours? In situations where your opponent is hesitant to reveal his hand, he may be angle-shooting and hoping you simply toss your cards in, so always flip them up for all to see.
    4. Keep a Level Head: Never let your opponents see you get too high or low at the table. When you drag a pot, act like you’ve won one before. When you get beat, act like gentleman and take in on the chin DO NOT punch the villain even if he deserves it.
    3. Don’t Misrepresent Your Hand: Once you reach showdown, stop angle-shooting and reveal your cards. Also, don’t pretend to put chips in and then take them back or anything like that; just play the game and win fair and square.
    2. Act in Turn: It’s not hard to keep tabs on the action in a hand, yet people constantly act out of turn. Whether you’re folding, calling, or raising, wait until the dealer looks to you before making your move. If you’re going to fold, simply push your cards toward the dealer. When calling, slide your chips into the middle. If you intend to raise, then make sure you clearly announce “raise” before you put chips over the line and remember not to splash the pot.
    1. Do not Slow-Roll: slow-rolling is childless and a breach of etiquette. There’s just no reason to stall when you know you have the best hand. Call and put the hurt on your opponent, but refrain from slow-rolling AT ALL TIMES.
    REMEMBER PLAY POKER FOR FUN.

    I am having a poker sabbatical. I may play a bit this week but will stop then until September I hope the poker gods a kind to you all.
     
    THANKS

             DAI
     
  • edited July 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    Great stuff Dai! Good to see and share a table with you in Swansea! You're a top man! Very unlucky with you're out hand very deep into the tourney (see No.1 on your list) but very well played anyway mate! Sorry to hear you feel the need to take a break! Get back sooner rather than later! Chris
    Posted by DiggerMan
             
    A men to that dude and just as diggerman said, nice to meet you on Saturday, top dude.
  • edited July 2010

    GREAT Post Booty.

    I was lost for words when that, err, "regrettable" thing happened, I did not know what to say, or where to look.

    It's quite outwith my understanding why anyone would do such a thing. I hope - think even - it was down to lack of experience.
     

    You are a truly big man to take what happened with such dignity.

    LOVED all the other points, too. You & me will always get along fine.

    Much respect, even though you are Welshish.
  • edited July 2010
    Dont know what happened in swansea as per tikay post but i agree 100% if you take peoples chips with good hand/bad hand you should accept what ever happens with the wonderful mysteries of the flop...win well, lose with class. it is only a game amongst  friends...
  • edited August 2010
    Any2 - Dai was knocked out by someone who took an age deliberating whether to call his all in with aces - the dreaded slow-roll.
  • edited August 2010
    I heard this from the DC table, I can't imagine what goes through people's minds when they are sitting pondering a call with AA. This breach of etiquette will always draw an expletive from me, and instantly destroy any respect I have for a player.
  • edited August 2010
    LOL, please dont tell me this was pre-flop!!

    ps, Pointers in spellin Pionters!! Ya got etiquette right, ffs, lol

    Anyway, you were on mi table the other nite, so welcome back Dai, ya mad re-raiser you!!!
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    LOL, please dont tell me this was pre-flop!! ps, Pointers in spellin Pionters!! Ya got etiquette right, ffs, lol Anyway, you were on mi table the other nite, so welcome back Dai, ya mad re-raiser you!!!
    Posted by HITMAN_RV
    LOL
    yep this was all per flop
    pushed 41000 all in with  AKh blinds 2000/4000 folds around to the villain tanks for 2mins then calls i show my cards he lets the dealer count out the chips 2 mins i ASK for him to show he turns AA!!! TILT wow flop 379 turn K river J. I went to say  " $%^% you %^&^% " but thought the better of it. I looked up, look at Tikay and walked away went for a walk around Swansea and then had a beer or two. i have found out since that it was the villains first live game so mybe i should have had a word. AK v AA out of a game no regrets but slow play is wrong.

    DAI
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette : LOL yep this was all per flop pushed 41000 all in with  AKh blinds 2000/4000 folds around to the villain tanks for 2mins then calls i show my cards he lets the dealer count out the chips 2 mins i ASK for him to show he turns AA!!! TILT wow flop 379 turn K river J. I went to say  " $%^% you %^&^% " but thought the better of it. I looked up, look at Tikay and walked away went for a walk around Swansea and then had a beer or two. i have found out since that it was the villains first live game so mybe i should have had a word. AK v AA out of a game no regrets but slow play is wrong. DAI
    Posted by DAIBOOT
    Hi dai......hope you are well mate.

    This is such a important fact which, with all due respect, may of influenced the situation and your's and Tikay's reaction to it.
    Yes, I still agree it was totally wrong and it did not go down well in the room. However, I also believe it is stalwarts like you two who can educate and teach the newbies amongst us to be better 'live' players with respect to etiquette and general rules.
    My final point is that the SPT is open to ALL players regardless of BR or live game experience which is very commendable in my book and long may it continue.

    Cheers,

    Alan......(mr JJ man v your rag ace,lol, and QJ).......:))


    PS.....If you are reading this Tikay.......have you checked that thread in announcements about boot camps recently? (just a friendly nudge)  
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette : Hi dai......hope you are well mate. This is such a important fact which, with all due respect, may of influenced the situation and your's and Tikay's reaction to it. Yes, I still agree it was totally wrong and it did not go down well in the room. However, I also believe it is stalwarts like you two who can educate and teach the newbies amongst us to be better 'live' players with respect to etiquette and general rules. My final point is that the SPT is open to ALL players regardless of BR or live game experience which is very commendable in my book and long may it continue. Cheers, Alan......(mr JJ man v your rag ace,lol, and QJ).......:)) PS.....If you are reading this Tikay.......have you checked that thread in announcements about boot camps recently? (just a friendly nudge)  
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Hi Max
    At the time i did not now the VILLAIN was a newbie that is why i feel i should have had a word when i had had five mins. i Know who it is and will tell the chap in a nice way if i come across him. the only way to deal with this is to walk away. as i never want to fall out with any player live or online i hope he reads this and may take something from it as poker is a fun game.
    DAI
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette : Hi dai......hope you are well mate. This is such a important fact which, with all due respect, may of influenced the situation and your's and Tikay's reaction to it. Yes, I still agree it was totally wrong and it did not go down well in the room. However, I also believe it is stalwarts like you two who can educate and teach the newbies amongst us to be better 'live' players with respect to etiquette and general rules. My final point is that the SPT is open to ALL players regardless of BR or live game experience which is very commendable in my book and long may it continue. Cheers, Alan......(mr JJ man v your rag ace,lol, and QJ).......:)) PS.....If you are reading this Tikay.......have you checked that thread in announcements about boot camps recently? (just a friendly nudge)  
    Posted by MAXALLY
    You think I don't give a lot of my time, voluntarily, helping Newbies then, & have done for many years?

    The fact they are new, & need help with etiquette, is all the more reason to register disapproval when such things happen, & have a quiet word. If you don't, they will never learn.

    As to your PS, no, the period a month before, during, & since Vegas has been somewhat stressful &/or time-consuming for me in other areas of my life, so no, but I will take a look soonest.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pionters in live poker etiquette : You think I don't give a lot of my time, voluntarily, helping Newbies then, & have done for many years? The fact they are new, & need help with etiquette, is all the more reason to register disapproval when such things happen, & have a quiet word. If you don't, they will never learn. As to your PS, no, the period a month before, during, & since Vegas has been somewhat stressful &/or time-consuming for me in other areas of my life, so no, but I will take a look soonest.
    Posted by Tikay10

    1) I think you have misconstrued my point (not for the 1st time, so my bad) It was no way a criticism of your help and guidance that you DO give to newbies......it was actually a reference that you and Dai would have a lot of experience in your later years in life to bestow on us youngsters! :))

    2) I fully understand your recent and current work load and hence why it was just a friendly nudge if you had the time to take a look, and not a demand to do it ASAP.   

    Regards,

    Alan
  • edited August 2010
    The poor chap has had a mild roasting for bad etiquette albeit this is now balanced with some realisation after the event that his inexperience was likely a mitigating factor in what happened and everyone is prepared to accept this and give him some helpful advice and share no hard feelings. Thus to complement the excellent advice already on this thread, on registration at the event is there a formal set of (official/house) rules and informal etiquette pointers that will be visibily available to all to register agreement with?

    One additional query from me. I dont see any mention in the original post or through having a quick online browse for further pointers regarding the etiquette between live players at a table. e.g. is it OK for one to talk to the other to try and get a read, e.g "I've got 6 outs, but I think you only have 2......" I see it on WSOP and other games on tv with the pros so is it acceptable or not? i.e. is it a legitimate tactic to bait/pressure your opponent.

    TheBouncer
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    The poor chap has had a mild roasting for bad etiquette albeit this is now balanced with some realisation after the event that his inexperience was likely a mitigating factor in what happened and everyone is prepared to accept this and give him some helpful advice and share no hard feelings. Thus to complement the excellent advice already on this thread, on registration at the event is there a formal set of (official/house) rules and informal etiquette pointers that will be visibily available to all to register agreement with?One additional query from me. I dont see any mention in the original post or through having a quick online browse for further pointers regarding the etiquette between live players at a table. e.g. is it OK for one to talk to the other to try and get a read, e.g "I've got 6 outs, but I think you only have 2......" I see it on WSOP and other games on tv with the pros so is it acceptable or not? i.e. is it a legitimate tactic to bait/pressure your opponent. TheBouncer
    Posted by TheBouncer
    HI Bouncer
    The first point is a good one the rules of poker can differ from place to place these are only small e.g the way the dealer is selected so you need to ask players and/or the TD. the game you play eg Omaha,stud is always the same game you know.
    Talking at the table is fine by me as long as it is not abusive. BUT the more you say the more info you give away. if you say " i've got 6 outs ,but you only have 2" if i have hit the 2 outs already i can change my game. If i have no outs i fold!!  that if what you say is right. that's poker

    DAI
  • edited August 2010
    dai i think you done well to walk away mate i had a simalar one running deep in local casino last week shoved my aq guy sat for 5 mins then called with his aa flop came 10 j k  turn 4 river 5 happy days served him right though
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette : HI Bouncer The first point is a good one the rules of poker can differ from place to place these are only small e.g the way the dealer is selected so you need to ask players and/or the TD. the game you play eg Omaha,stud is always the same game you know. Talking at the table is fine by me as long as it is not abusive. BUT the more you say the more info you give away. if you say " i've got 6 outs ,but you only have 2" if i have hit the 2 outs already i can change my game. If i have no outs i fold!!  that if what you say is right. that's poker DAI
    Posted by DAIBOOT
    .....indeed just because I say I have 6 outs, I may have already hit, just like you.....bluff, counter-bluff and counter-counter-bluff.........I'm saying nothing, MP3 player on instead, is that allowed? :-)
  • edited August 2010
    I

    n Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette : .....indeed just because I say I have 6 outs, I may have already hit, just like you.....bluff, counter-bluff and counter-counter-bluff.........I'm saying nothing, MP3 player on instead, is that allowed? :-)
    Posted by TheBouncer
    yes
  • edited August 2010
    To answer one of my earlier posts (why didn't I think of it earlier) I have just had a read of the tournament (house) rules on the DTD website. Regarding etiquette it does mention the "code of conduct", which together with "poker etiquette" is described on another page. - Slow roll is not mentioned in such language unless you class it as #7 -stalling the action of a game.

    Competition policies#9 mentions "speech play" being allowed - I guess this is an example of talking about "outs" in above posts? or does it mean something else?

    General rules #36 mentions excessive chatter - I would assume the interpretation of this can vary from table to table depending on how active or withdrawn players are. IMHO anyone harking on about "missing Xfactor on TV" during the tourney should be sanctioned under this rule.... :-)

    Thanks for all clarifications - all help to make a better event on the day.
  • edited August 2010
    Hopefully when Dai gets a chance to get his breath back after a successful weekend at the APAT World Championship of Amateur Poker, he'll update this thread with an incident that occurred to a SkyPoker regular this weekend!

    I'll let Dai do the honours :)
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    Hopefully when Dai gets a chance to get his breath back after a successful weekend at the APAT World Championship of Amateur Poker, he'll update this thread with an incident that occurred to a SkyPoker regular this weekend! I'll let Dai do the honours :)
    Posted by YoungUn
    *SIGH*

    Might this include me by any chance?
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette : *SIGH* Might this include me by any chance?
    Posted by FlashFlush
    go on flash do the honours it's a shoking one!
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette : go on flash do the honours it's a shoking one!
    Posted by DAIBOOT
    Surely not another case of 5 aces in the deck!!
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette:
    In Response to Re: Pointers in live poker etiquette : Surely not another case of 5 aces in the deck!!
    Posted by SolarCarro
    No, this time it's player error, not Dealer/Venue/TD error!

    See thread in General Poker Chat titled "What!? Do you know who I am?!?".
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