did i have the correct odds to make this call??

donkeyplop

yes i know i was short stacked but i was on tilt yesterday lol

anyway guy min raised i thought id call and hit open s/d!

i called a fairly weak raise imo and turned the magic card

question is did i have the correct odds to make that call??

oh and i cracked aces for the first time i think

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.77
	Big blind		£0.04	£0.08	£0.96
	Your hole cards	5 7
	Fold
	Check
donkeyplop	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£2.39
	Raise		£0.08	£0.20	£3.05
	Fold
	Call		£0.04	£0.24	£0.92
donkeyplop	Call		£0.04	£0.28	£2.35
Flop
		4 6 J
	Check
donkeyplop	Check
	Bet		£0.21	£0.49	£2.84
	Fold
donkeyplop	Call		£0.21	£0.70	£2.14
Turn
		3
donkeyplop	Check
	Bet		£0.92	£1.62	£1.92
donkeyplop	Raise		£1.84	£3.46	£0.30
	All-in		£1.92	£5.38	£0.00
donkeyplop	All-in		£0.30	£5.68	£0.00
	Unmatched bet		£0.70	£4.98	£0.70
donkeyplop	Show	5 7
	Show	A A
River
		9
donkeyplop	Win	Straight to the 7	£4.61		£4.61

N1CK

your getting 2.5/1 pot odds and your odds to hit your draw are 5/1 on the turn so no But you do have implied odds if you think he will pay you off if you hit,

you know this yeah and this is just a brag how you busted aces???

donkeyplop

well i knew i was getting good value if id hit and it wasnt for alot of money

donkeyplop

i didnt need any pot odds or impied odds for this one!

this is why you shouldnt slow play aces.

like busses i wait then two come at once..............

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
donkeyplop	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.86
	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.31
	Your hole cards	6 5
	Fold
	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.22
	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.38
donkeyplop	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£3.84
	Check
Flop
		7 4 3
donkeyplop	Check
	Check
	Bet		£0.16	£0.32	£3.06
	Raise		£0.32	£0.64	£2.06
donkeyplop	Raise		£1.04	£1.68	£2.80
	Fold
	Fold
	All-in		£2.06	£3.74	£0.00
donkeyplop	Call		£1.34	£5.08	£1.46
donkeyplop	Show	6 5
	Show	A A
Turn
		5
River
		8
donkeyplop	Win	Straight to the 8	£4.70		£6.16

Mohican

Yes.With the aid of an odds calculator and calculator you were 1.7/1 to hit your hand on he turn, with pot odds of 2.3/1 to hit your hand. Even doing it roughly, rough guide of x your outs by 4 for the turn and x 2 for the river and a udsd is 2/1 to hit on the turn, you are getting over 2/1 to hit on the turn.
I will, of course stand corrected if someone a lot cleverer than me proves me wrong.It's just my understanding of it.

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

Yes.With the aid of an odds calculator and calculator you were 1.7/1 to hit your hand on he turn, with pot odds of 2.3/1 to hit your hand. Even doing it roughly, rough guide of x your outs by 4 for the turn and x 2 for the river and a udsd is 2/1 to hit on the turn, you are getting over 2/1 to hit on the turn. I will, of course stand corrected if someone a lot cleverer than me proves me wrong.It's just my understanding of it.
Posted by Mohican

you just got it the wrong way around, the 2 and 4 method is if your on the flop to see the next card x your outs by 2 and add 1, if your on the flop and its allin so your going to see both cards its x4

remember to only x2 on the flop as there will be another round of betting on the turn

Mohican

You've got it at 5/1 to hit on the turn which is roughly 16%. Which is his outs(8) x2. However, the odds calculator
has that exact hand at 36.87% which is 1.7/1 to hit and 2.33/1 on his money. Even doing it roughly, his outs(8) x4 are 32%  which is a nadge over 2/1 to hit and he's getting a nadge over 2/1 on his money, so an insta call and the correct way to work this out.
I've showed my workings out and believe they are correct. However, perhaps a third opinion on the matter can resolve this. For what it's worth, this has been my method for deciding whether to call of fold for a long time in certain scenarios and obviously if I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.

donkeyplop

to be honest i strugle to work all that out in such a short space of time but i wouldnt of called any raise over say 30p at this level.....

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

You've got it at 5/1 to hit on the turn which is roughly 16%. Which is his outs(8) x2. However, the odds calculator has that exact hand at 36.87% which is 1.7/1 to hit and 2.33/1 on his money. Even doing it roughly, his outs(8) x4 are 32%  which is a nadge over 2/1 to hit and he's getting a nadge over 2/1 on his money, so an insta call and the correct way to work this out. I've showed my workings out and believe they are correct. However, perhaps a third opinion on the matter can resolve this. For what it's worth, this has been my method for deciding whether to call of fold for a long time in certain scenarios and obviously if I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.
Posted by Mohican

im talking about the first hand not the 2nd is this were the confusion is?

N1CK

ok he on the flop with a straight draw, the chance of hitting 1 of the 8 outs is 17% which is 4.9:1 WITH ONE CARD TO COME

now if the other guy goes allin then he gets to see 2 cards for the same bet and his odds will be 31.5% or 2:2:1

Mohican

(First hand 5s 7s)So please explain why the odds calculator has him at 36.87%(1,71/1) on the flop and on the turn(with Qhearts added which doesn't give any more outs) it has him at 18.18%(4.5/1).Using the 4 and 2 rule gives figures close to these which is why i don't understand how you are working out your odds.

Mohican

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

(First hand 5s 7s)So please explain why the odds calculator has him at 36.87%(1,71/1) on the flop and on the turn(with Qhearts added which doesn't give any more outs) it has him at 18.18%(4.5/1).Using the 4 and 2 rule gives figures close to these which is why i don't understand how you are working out your odds.
Posted by Mohican

im really sorry but i cant explain this any better than i have already, read my last post again and think about it

Mohican

Wait till the picture is approved and explain it to me then.

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

Wait till the picture is approved and explain it to me then.
Posted by Mohican

i know what its going to say,
calculators are great for solving equations but they are rubbish if you dont know how to use them

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

(First hand 5s 7s)So please explain why the odds calculator has him at 36.87%(1,71/1) on the flop and on the turn(with Qhearts added which doesn't give any more outs) it has him at 18.18%(4.5/1).Using the 4 and 2 rule gives figures close to these which is why i don't understand how you are working out your odds.
Posted by Mohican

this is how i work it out: there are 5 cards in this hand that we know of, his TWO hole cards and the THREE cards on the flop, this leaves 47 cards in the deck, ok so out of the 47 there are 8 that will make the straight and 39 that wont, so if we put this into a ratio it gives us 39/8 which is 17%

Mohican

(8/47) x 100= 17%.
Still doesn't explain why the odds calculator has it at 36%

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

(8/47) x 100= 17%. Still doesn't explain why the odds calculator has it at 36%
Posted by Mohican

your calculating the equity based on perfect information, he has 36% equity to win the hand on the flop

Mohican

I had him at 32% on the flop.

N1CK

In Response to Re: did i have the correct odds to make this call??:

I had him at 32% on the flop.
Posted by Mohican

are you leveling me?