folding sets HU is dumb

offshoot

offshoot

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
offshoot	Small blind		£1.00	£1.00	£250.20
vil	Big blind		£2.00	£3.00	£233.40
	Your hole cards	8 8
offshoot	Raise		£7.00	£10.00	£243.20
vil	Raise		£12.00	£22.00	£221.40
offshoot	Call		£6.00	£28.00	£237.20
Flop
		J 7 A
vilr	Check
offshoot	Check
Turn
		8
vilr	Bet		£28.00	£56.00	£193.40
offshoot	Call		£28.00	£84.00	£209.20
River
		3
vil	All-in		£193.40	£277.40	£0.00
offshoot	?

offshoot

villain 3bets prob 15% or thereabouts but always to 27. This is the first time hes min3bet. He has shoved the turn about 3 times, mainly when he donkbets into me on flop then shoves turn, ive never looked him up. Edit:  Found an example...

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
offshoot	Small blind		£1.00	£1.00	£267.00
vil	Big blind		£2.00	£3.00	£218.80
	Your hole cards	A 8
offshoot	Raise		£7.00	£10.00	£260.00
vil	Call		£6.00	£16.00	£212.80
Flop
		6 6 5
vil	Bet		£16.00	£32.00	£196.80
offshoot	Call		£16.00	£48.00	£244.00
Turn
		9
vil	All-in		£196.80	£244.80	£0.00
offshoot	Fold
vil	Muck
vil	Win		£47.00		£47.00
vil	Return		£196.80	£1.00	£243.80

TopTopGun

I would have raised turn but as played im calling river.

Dudeskin8

Yh I'd raise turn also, can't see how I can ever fold river without some very strong reads.

N1CK

how often are you folding to his standard 3bet?

hes played it from the start like he has a big hand and he doesnt want to blow you off anything, what does he expect you to call the river shove with? are you thinking he has jacks here alot?

offshoot

In Response to Re: folding sets HU is dumb:

how often are you folding to his standard 3bet? hes played it from the start like he has a big hand and he doesnt want to blow you off anything, what does he expect you to call the river shove with? are you thinking he has jacks here alot?
Posted by N1CK

i was folding to his 3bets a large % of the time. I had maybe called 3 or 4 times and only once got to showdown with KQ vs his AK on a scaryish king high board.

I think aces are more likely than jacks

Heres another hand where he shoves...

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
offshoot	Small blind		£1.00	£1.00	£285.20
vil	Big blind		£2.00	£3.00	£211.00
	Your hole cards	K 2
offshoot	Raise		£7.00	£10.00	£278.20
vil	Call		£6.00	£16.00	£205.00
Flop
		9 2 J
Mainliner	Bet		£12.00	£28.00	£193.00
offshoot	Call		£12.00	£40.00	£266.20
Turn
		5
vil	Bet		£30.00	£70.00	£163.00
offshoot	Call		£30.00	£100.00	£236.20
River
		10
vil	All-in		£163.00	£263.00	£0.00
offshoot	Fold
vil	Muck
vil	Win		£99.00		£99.00
vil	Return		£163.00	£1.00	£262.00

N1CK

you would expect him to lead out on that flop with jacks all the time, if he 3 bet his standard amount and leads flop your snap calling his shove yeah?
whats his biggest hand  that wtsd and what was his value bet size?  how many hands have you played with him?

offshoot

in a heartbeat

N1CK

how would you rate his game, not that great?

OMahonyO

Wow, I dont know what to say except please tell me you didnt fold.

I`m really bad hu btw

offshoot

he wasnt very good but wasnt a major fish. He didnt limp the button or anything but obviously wasnt a HU specalist

N1CK

if you have a big edge over him then its ok to fold here , the way hes played it you can put him on a hand that has you beat, you know he aint shoving if he has anything he can showdown, would he shove air when you have called two bets on a Ace high flop i doubt it, its a hard fold in the heat of battle.
im not sure if i could fold this tho

zing

erm, what?

thread must be a level

OMahonyO

I dunno offshoot, I wouldnt ever consider folding here, but you are where you are and I am where I am.

beaneh

don't fold. it's bad. he has aces 100% of the time here but w/e he has to show me. gg nice life die etc etc.

LOL_RAISE

i think you should be opening smaller tbh. i call river stab my cat if he has me beat

offshoot

3x is my standard HU but i go to 4x if they call alot and fold to cbets.

CLIOKID

I can't get away here. 

If your beat you are beat, sicko spot to lose if u do.

But hey folding sets HU can't be profitable.

BrownnDog

If your opponent is who I think it is then you should definitely not be folding.

offshoot

yeah i guess people do too much weird stuff HU to ever consider folding sets.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: folding sets HU is dumb:

yeah i guess people do too much weird stuff HU to ever consider folding sets.
Posted by offshoot

Offshoot - please check your PMs

Many thanks

Aisling

N1CK

In Response to Re: folding sets HU is dumb:

don't fold. it's bad. he has aces 100% of the time here but w/e he has to show me. gg nice life die etc etc.
Posted by beaneh

Do you think he would play KK like this and turn it into a bluff if he thinks he can get him off a Ace?

DeucesLive

I can see a lot of hands here if he's aggro enough, AK and KK are both possible- KK is a very plausible argument, as already said. I don't think you can specifically put him on a hand as strong as AA in this situation, though it's a possibility I guess- if he shows aces then so be it, but there's every chance he thinks he's slowplaying a monster with AK.

Could have another set, jacks perhaps, but I still can't see how you fold that to an aggro player.