what "should" of happened

pod1

playing a live game last night and it got a bit heated to say the least ( thank god this happened in first 20mins and not too many beers had been consumed or it could have got nasty) . 3 people got to see a flop, player1 sb player 2 bb and me (3) mid postion. no raises preflop. (i got pocket 3s). flop comes 9 10 3. i check player 1 raises to 600 player 2 calls i re raise to 3k. player 1 pushes all in for 6k. now at this point (dont ask me why) the dealer flips over the turn card with player 2 and myself still to act. player 2, after seeing the card (8) pushes all in for 7.5k. at this point i react quite badly as this player knew that card shouldn't have been shown and still acted on it. as it turns out player 1 had ace 10, player2 had jq. what should of happened next in the hand, and what should have happened to player2.  not to bias any comments too much, player2 had  been allowed to play after serving a 2yr ban for being caught dealing off the bottom of the deck in a cash game 2.5 yrs ago. phil

pod1

slight ammendment, i didnt check flop, player 1 acted first!!!

spornybol

my guess is players should have got chips back as it dealers fault, so should be null and void, but i`m not a touny director, mybe you have called them over as they should now the rules, i`m sure someone will say i`m wrong, and put me right, like i said it`s only a guess wil be interested to find out, off out now catch it later.

The_Don90

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my guess is players should have got chips back as it dealers fault, so should be null and void, but i`m not a touny director, mybe you have called them over as they should now the rules, i`m sure someone will say i`m wrong, and put me right, like i said it`s only a guess wil be interested to find out, off out now catch it later.
Posted by spornybol

Indeed as a tournament director i will state in this instance always call over the TD he will be able to explain to you the rules and regs of the situation.

Some casinos and tournaments will allow it, however, in mine and most situations the chips will be giver back to their rightful owners and the hand re-delt.

Hope this helps for future referance guys.

pod1

did call the director over, and it was "sorted out" will say what happened later, just wanted to know what others would do

Unknown

As soon as the turn is dealt prematurely, halt ALL action, call over the tournament director. The correct procedure is to return the card (8) to the deck, and complete betting action on the T93 board. Then, the deck is reshuffled thoroughly, and the turn is dealt (without burning another card). Action continues as normal.

After player 2 acts on the turn, it is still possible to ignore his action and return his all-in bet, and continue from the flop as outlined above. Betting on the turn is pretty bad etiquette, knowing that you are going to cause problems for everyone involved in the pot.

dylan12

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As soon as the turn is dealt prematurely, halt ALL action, call over the tournament director. The correct procedure is to return the card (8) to the deck, and complete betting action on the T93 board. Then, the deck is reshuffled thoroughly, and the turn is dealt (without burning another card). Action continues as normal. After player 2 acts on the turn, it is still possible to ignore his action and return his all-in bet, and continue from the flop as outlined above. Betting on the turn is pretty bad etiquette, knowing that you are going to cause problems for everyone involved in the pot.
Posted by CoxyLboro

+1

This is the what Im used to whenever I have seen it happen.

DAVEYZZ

this is the problem with poker at the moment(no set "affiliated" rules)
in my casino,the 8 would be a burn card and the turn card is the 3rd card off the bottom,so thats 4 different solutions to to one problem........

dave

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: what "should" of happened:

As soon as the turn is dealt prematurely, halt ALL action, call over the tournament director. The correct procedure is to return the card (8) to the deck, and complete betting action on the T93 board. Then, the deck is reshuffled thoroughly, and the turn is dealt (without burning another card). Action continues as normal. After player 2 acts on the turn, it is still possible to ignore his action and return his all-in bet, and continue from the flop as outlined above. Betting on the turn is pretty bad etiquette, knowing that you are going to cause problems for everyone involved in the pot.
Posted by CoxyLboro

+1

pod1

as it happened, play was taken back to the flop, player 2s allin was given back, 8 put back into pack and shuffled and given the option of calling the all in again ( which he didnt) and the hand was run from then. i ending up winning the hand with a full house. had no problem with the hand and the way it was handled. the big gripe i had was player 2 only bet all in after he saw the turn card "KNOWING" it was shown out of turn and trying to get away with it. in my book thats more than bad etiquette thats cheating. getting an unfair advantage from doing something you know is wrong aint right. to make matters worse 6hrs later he went on and won the thing with me 3rd!!!

Machka

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...to make matters worse 6hrs later he went on and won the thing with me 3rd!!!
Posted by pod1

Blimey, that's along winded introduction to a brag thread. ;-)

Well done Phil.

pod1

lol. just think he had alot of front turning up like he did  AND trying a stunt like that. far from brag, with 3 left ss55k ms 75k me 175k and i still blew it!!!!