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Asian films

edited August 2010 in The Shed
I don't mean the section on red tube and in fact don't even know what red tube is.

But I've been introduced to the world of asian films of late. Notably the vengeance trilogy of Chan-wook. I've just watched them and they are absolutely brilliant, absolutely p'ssing all over 98% of Holywood. Oldboy was on Film4 lately and for me is the pick of the three although most aficienados disagree with me.

They're kinda sick, very violent and that should be enough to sell them. But typically of the orientals they're full of meaning and fantastically well made. Brilliant, brilliant acting too.

I've got about 20 ordered on lovefilm and I can't wait to see them. Ichi the Killer was the one most recommended and is supposed to be very hard to stomach, but I doubt it will affect me. Many others are buddhism/ninja type stuff which really appeals to me. Just like Murakami's books. Can't get enough of the oriental stuff. Kill Bill 2's my favourite ever film for a reason.

Would be interesting to hear Hartigan's views. But, crucially, I don't know if he reads these forums still. The word film might perk his ears up, who knows?

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  • edited August 2010
    try 'battle royal' and i think there's also a battle royal 2... but the first is definitely better.

    I'm with you about old boy - great film.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Asian films:
    I don't mean the section on red tube and in fact don't even know what red tube is. But I've been introduced to the world of asian films of late. Notably the vengeance trilogy of Chan-wook. I've just watched them and they are absolutely brilliant, absolutely p'ssing all over 98% of Holywood. Oldboy was on Film4 lately and for me is the pick of the three although most aficienados disagree with me. They're kinda sick, very violent and that should be enough to sell them. But typically of the orientals they're full of meaning and fantastically well made. Brilliant, brilliant acting too. I've got about 20 ordered on lovefilm and I can't wait to see them. Ichi the Killer was the one most recommended and is supposed to be very hard to stomach, but I doubt it will affect me. Many others are buddhism/ninja type stuff which really appeals to me. Just like Murakami's books. Can't get enough of the oriental stuff. Kill Bill 2's my favourite ever film for a reason. Would be interesting to hear Hartigan's views. But, crucially, I don't know if he reads these forums still. The word film might perk his ears up, who knows?
    Posted by bandini
    Yes, I still peruse interesting threads in The Shed...

    I'll be honest, ultra-violent Asian cinema doesn't really do it for me.  I thought 'Ichi the Killer' was an obnoxious film and, while I enjoyed parts of 'Oldboy' (particularly the single shot corridor fight), I was left feeling a bit "Meh..."  I believe Chan-wook Park is an over-rated film-maker.

    I'd have to say the same about John Woo and Takeshi Kitano - although I did enjoy his 2003 re-make of 'Zatoichi'.

    I thought the original 'Ring' movies were pretty effective - and I love the work of Yimou Zhang, particularly 'Hero' which I think is one of the best films of the last 10 years.

    But the true master of Asian cinema was the Japanese director Akira Kurosawa.  Check out 'Seven Samurai' (the "inspiration" for 'The Magnificent Seven'), 'Yojimbo' (the "inspiration" for 'A Fistful of Dollars') and his Shakespearean tragedies - 'Throne of Blood' (a re-versioning of 'Macbeth) and 'Ran' (a re-versioning of 'King Lear').

  • edited August 2010
    Everything that Hartigan says, but the other way around (mostly).

    Avoid the UK version of Ichi The Killer as the BBFC cut it by 3m15s, making it one of the most heavily cut films since the BBFC relaxed their guidelines. Not one of prolific Japanese director Takashi Miike's best (at one point he was making an average of 5-6 films a year but has recentely slowed down to just 2-3), the crazy Miike dabbles in every type of genre churning out gangster, horror, comedy, drama, sci-fi, musicals and even kids movies. I'd recommend the following - Fudoh: The New Generation (1996)*again beware the British release as it's cut by 21s / Audition (1999) / Dead or Alive (1999) / Visitor Q (2001) / The Happiness of the Katakuris (2001)  / Zebraman (2004) / Sukiyaki Western Django (2007) / Yatterman (2009) and the forthcoming Thirteen Assassins looks tasty.

    Love the Chan-wook Park vengeance trilogy, the very under-rated Lady Vengeance (2005) being my personal fave, and also really enjoyed his latest, the vampire flick Thirst (2009), despite it's lukewarm reception but I think that may be because its now "cool" to knock him.

    On to John Woo, purveyor of the finest action movies of the late 80's/early 90's - A Better Tomorrow (1986), A Better Tomorrow II (1987), The Killer (1989), A Bullet in the Head (1990) and Hard Boiled (1992) are simply unmissable. Avoid all his American pictures except Face/Off (1997) which is great fun. His recent epic Red Cliff (2008) is a fine return to form.

    Takeshi "Beat" Kitano - Mad as a bag of badgers, the director / actor most famous for his violent gangster movies in which he always plays the same character (hardly says a word, shows no emotions, prone to extreme violence, mental) although they are actually different people. His style as a director usually involves methodically paced dreamlike scenes with an underlying sense of jet black humour which often end in sudden bursts of bloody violence. He is one of my favourie film makers. Check out Violent Cop (1989), Boiling Point (1990), Sonatine (1993), Hanna-Bi (1997), Zatoichi (2003) and Takeshis' (2005). He also appears in Kinji Fukasaku's (director of many top 70's gangster films) last film, the superb Battle Royale (2000), as well as being the host of crazed Japanese game show Takeshi's Castle.

    Yimou Zhangs' three big international hits - Hero (2002), House of Flying Daggers (2004) and Cusre of the Golden Flower (2006) are all recommended and amongst the most ravishingly beautiful films you will ever see. He was also responsible for those amazing opening/closing ceremonies at the Beijing Olympics.

    Kurosawa is simply one of the giants of cinema and if possible you should check out the U.S. Criterion Blu-Rays.

    To be continued...join me next time for the wonderful world of Japanese 70's exploitation movies!!!


  • edited August 2010
    Thanks for the input, all.

    I'd better up my love-film limit and throw a couple of sickies :-)
  • edited August 2010
    Rich - Really didn't rate Battle Royale at all. Cheap kinda feel to it and the plot was so implausible it was ridiculuous.

    James - Think we've got different tastes mate. I appreciate your knowledge of all things cinematic (and you really should have got Barry Norman's job) but my tastes are just different.

    Tootin : You the man. It was only the uk version I caught of Ichi but I thought it was brilliant. But didn't rate Audition that much. Or, as stated above, Castle Royale. But the entire vengeance trilogy is just brilliant.

    Only tentative steps taken thus far though. I'll report back once I've seen a few more.

    By all means hit me with the 70s Japanese exploitation movies :-)
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Asian films:
    Rich - Really didn't rate Battle Royale at all. Cheap kinda feel to it and the plot was so implausible it was ridiculuous. James - Think we've got different tastes mate. I appreciate your knowledge of all things cinematic (and you really should have got Barry Norman's job) but my tastes are just different. Tootin : You the man. It was only the uk version I caught of Ichi but I thought it was brilliant. But didn't rate Audition that much. Or, as stated above, Castle Royale. But the entire vengeance trilogy is just brilliant. Only tentative steps taken thus far though. I'll report back once I've seen a few more. By all means hit me with the 70s Japanese exploitation movies :-)
    Posted by bandini
    Please take Darntootin's advice and check out the Criterion editions of the Kurosawa movies.  You won't be disappointed!
  • edited August 2010
    Still can't beat Enter The Dragon
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Asian films:
    Still can't beat Enter The Dragon
    Posted by HuFlungPu
    Whatever happened to John Saxon?

  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Asian films:
    Still can't beat Enter The Dragon
    Posted by HuFlungPu
    When it comes I won't even notice ......... I'll be too busy lookin' good

  • edited August 2010
    Boards don't hit back.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Asian films:
    In Response to Re: Asian films : Please take Darntootin's advice and check out the Criterion editions of the Kurosawa movies.  You won't be disappointed!
    Posted by J-Hartigan
    Will do.
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