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Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?

edited August 2010 in The Poker Clinic
if you didnt want to play a big pot, then dont 3bet AK.

as played ship, folding here would be bad, you have the best draw, along with TPTK, you win this hand your sure to get into the final 3.

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  • edited August 2010
    The situation

    This bounty hunter tournament started with 60 runners, the money bubble has just gone and we're now playing the final table bubble. With 37K I'm chip leader, the villain is a close second with 34K, we have a big lead over the rest of the field, the other 5 players have an average of 9K.

    Table image

    The villain and myself have only been sat at the same table for around 20 to 30 hands, in that time there have been 3 eliminations. I've been running very well and picking up lots of good hole cards, I've been raising most buttons and shoving against short stacks with a wide range. The villain has been playing a similar aggresive game, perhaps entering slightly fewer pots than me. We haven't really had a confrontation against each other yet, both of us prefering to bully the short stacks and keep out of each others way. Both of us considers the other to be playing loose/aggresive.

    The hand

    It's a beautiful flop for my AK, top pair/top kicker with a nut flush draw. I put in my standard c-bet, but the villain surprises me by effectively moving all-in. If I shove and lose here I'll go from chip leader to small change. If I win we go to the final table and I'll have the luxury of a monster stack. The bounty on the villains head has absolutely no influence on my decision, this might as well be an ordinary freezeout.

    Should I shove or fold?




    GaryQQQ Small blind  400.00 400.00 37035.00 short stack Big blind  800.00 1200.00 1870.00   Your hole cards K A       villainRaise  1600.00 2800.00 32707.50 GaryQQQ Raise  3200.00 6000.00 33835.00 short stack Fold     villain Call  2000.00 8000.00 30707.50 Flop    9 2 K       GaryQQQ Bet  6000.00 14000.00 27835.00 villain Raise  26000.00 40000.00 4707.50 GaryQQQ
  • edited August 2010
    This is such a horrible situation but with TPTK and the FD i have to call, looks like its just one of those cooler hands.
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  • edited August 2010
    Shove.

    With alacrity as TK would say.

    Possibly ahead and 2/1 to hit the nuts? Shove, shove, shove. Especially because you've already cashed. I couldn't fold because there would be dark alleyways for my mind to run down forever after. What happened?
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  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    The bounty on the villains head has absolutely no influence on my decision, this might as well be an ordinary freezeout. 
    Posted by GaryQQQ

    It should.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    In Response to Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold? : It should.
    Posted by beaneh
    Interesting. Why?
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold? : Interesting. Why?
    Posted by bandini


    If you're in the cash, and now someone shoves into you with a big head bounty not only can you win the chips in the pot by calling you can also win money straight away on the side. The more chips you have the easier it is to gamble and pick up spots where your drawing for prize money straight away regardless of the position of the tournament you are in.
  • edited August 2010
    Also your reraise preflop needs to be bigger, up around 5k.
  • edited August 2010
    I was nervous the villain had flopped 2 pair or a set, either of which would have outs to a full house even if I made my flush.

    However, I'd been c-betting every flop and playing very aggro in general, so I thought it equally possible he would be raising light in the hope that I'd missed.

    The shove was a fairly easy decison.

    This is what happened;
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    GaryQQQ Small blind  400.00 400.00 37035.00
    short stack Big blind  800.00 1200.00 1870.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    villain Raise  1600.00 2800.00 32707.50
    GaryQQQ Raise  3200.00 6000.00 33835.00
    short stack Fold     
    villain Call  2000.00 8000.00 30707.50
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 2
    • K
         
    GaryQQQ Bet  6000.00 14000.00 27835.00
    villain Raise  26000.00 40000.00 4707.50
    GaryQQQ All-in  27835.00 67835.00 0.00
    villain All-in  4707.50 72542.50 0.00
    GaryQQQ Unmatched bet  3127.50 69415.00 3127.50
    GaryQQQ Show
    • K
    • A
       
    villain Show
    • K
    • 3
       
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    River
       
    • 5
         
    GaryQQQ Win Pair of Kings 69415.00  72542.50
  • edited August 2010
    Exactly you won, tbh I don't understand how this was even a decision.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    Exactly you won, tbh I don't understand how this was even a decision.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    its sky, we will have should I auto post in the BB next.
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold? : If you're in the cash, and now someone shoves into you with a big head bounty not only can you win the chips in the pot by calling you can also win money straight away on the side. The more chips you have the easier it is to gamble and pick up spots where your drawing for prize money straight away regardless of the position of the tournament you are in.
    Posted by Amazing286
    Hmm. Interesting. The hand above is insta-shove but I rarely let bountys come into my decisions when playing BHs unless it's against tiny stacks. Does the bounty make JdJh, for example, shovable too then for the head? Compared to, I'd imagine, a very decent 1st prize?
  • edited August 2010
    In Response to Re: Crucial Bounty Hunter decision. Shove or fold?:
    Exactly you won, tbh I don't understand how this was even a decision.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    It was a great result obviously.
     
    But that hand has played on my mind since. How many times would I be behind? Did I gamble and get lucky? I posted it here to gauge opinion, I got my answer. 
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