SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?

oynutter

Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Thicknfast	Small blind		15.00	15.00	5270.00
ALIVEHAT60	Big blind		30.00	45.00	5080.00
	Your hole cards	K K
weemallet	Raise		60.00	105.00	5580.00
charlkie	Fold
oynutter	Raise		120.00	225.00	3795.00
Thicknfast	Raise		165.00	390.00	5105.00
ALIVEHAT60	Fold
weemallet	Call		120.00	510.00	5460.00
oynutter	Raise		240.00	750.00	3555.00
Thicknfast	Raise		360.00	1110.00	4745.00
weemallet	Fold
oynutter	Call		180.00	1290.00	3375.00
Flop
		Q K 3
Thicknfast	Bet		645.00	1935.00	4100.00
oynutter	Raise		1290.00	3225.00	2085.00
Thicknfast	All-in		4100.00	7325.00	0.00
oynutter	All-in		2085.00	9410.00	0.00
Thicknfast	Unmatched bet		1370.00	8040.00	1370.00
Thicknfast	Show	J 10
oynutter	Show	K K
Turn
		2
River
		A
Thicknfast	Win	Straight to the Ace	8040.00		9410.00

dav1964

Jeeezux all i can say is he must luuuuuuuuuuuv 10 J OFF

LOL_RAISE

so many minraises hurts my eyes, but congrats on flopping top set in a 6bet pot

lynx3ffect

what a mess

CLIOKID

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

so many minraises hurts my eyes, but congrats on flopping top set in a 6bet pot
Posted by LOL_RAISE

Haha quality.

W.t.f is going on here?!

beaneh

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

so many minraises , but congrats on flopping top set in a 6bet pot
Posted by LOL_RAISE

this.

oynutter

yeh-- the min raises were sussing out ones really--I wanted to build the pot, but it was very early in a four hour deep stack, got rid of one player, so it did work

yb

Lol the only way this hand can be played worse is if you flat call the flop tbh

GREGHOGG

get it all in pre, lol

that min raise war is just redic

fwiw, i dont think he folds even if you flat the flop and shove the turn, so that river is always coming!!!

Just the way it goes m8, youve won enuf floppin deepstacks this month anyway!:)

beaneh

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

Lol the only way this hand can be played worse is if you flat call the flop tbh
Posted by yb

nothing wrong with flat calling flop or raising.

folding would be bad lol

oynutter

He was being very agro,so early in tourney, so I was trying to stack him

big_mick12

GET IT IN PRE

oynutter

theres no point in getting in pre--its 10 mins in to a four hour game m8

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

theres no point in getting in pre--its 10 mins in to a four hour game m8
Posted by oynutter

but is there any point in 5 betting KK, and flat calling a 6 bet? Surely if someone raises you that much they are itching to get it in pre? And then you can be 80+ fave or 20% underdog.

Eagle26

get as much in pre as possible. if he AA nh move on! all this min raising is nonsense.

YOUNG_GUN

Played fine as got all in on flop, miles ahead and he has outdrew you

If any reads would play different but you went in ahead 80% guessin and he got lucky, got all in at perfect point

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

theres no point in getting in pre--its 10 mins in to a four hour game m8
Posted by oynutter

Just thought I'd let you know, you have Kings. Get it in PRE !!

oynutter

I really don't get why most of you would want to get all in pre in a deep stack---these games are over 3 hours long, so there is plenty of time to wait till you are 95%--100% to get all in--- you are only 70% against any ace pre, surely its mad to do that?

beaneh

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

I really don't get why most of you would want to get all in pre in a deep stack---these games are over 3 hours long, so there is plenty of time to wait till you are 95%--100% to get all in--- you are only 70% against any ace pre, surely its mad to do that?
Posted by oynutter

so wait if after you put in the umpteenth min bet he jams we're folding KK?

yb

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN? : so wait if after you put in the umpteenth min bet he jams we're folding KK?
Posted by beaneh

Thats why we only called the 6bet so we can get away from it if a K doesnt hit obv

oynutter

I was min reraising so that he would'nt have to shove pre, which is why I flatted his last raise with enough in the pot to get most or all of his stack after the flop

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

I really don't get why most of you would want to get all in pre in a deep stack---these games are over 3 hours long, so there is plenty of time to wait till you are 95%--100% to get all in--- you are only 70% against any ace pre, surely its mad to do that?
Posted by oynutter

No offence here Oy as I know your clearly a good player but how the hell did you win 3 of these on the spin playing Kings like this !

oynutter

I was playing the player here really dude--- I would'nt have played like that against you--lol-- but he was over-playing hands, and I wanted to sort him out--lol

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

I was playing the player here really dude--- I would'nt have played like that against you--lol-- but he was over-playing hands, and I wanted to sort him out--lol
Posted by oynutter

Just my opinion but when I sort people put I like to make a man-sized raise.

oynutter

But I did'nt want to go all in pre, so I did'nt force him into that decision

harvey23

7bet to see were you are fold to 8bet coz they obz have AA.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

But I did'nt want to go all in pre, so I did'nt force him into that decision
Posted by oynutter

So if he shoved you would fold KINGS preflop ?


Just thought I'd highlight the main word.

oynutter

No dude--obviously I call a shove--- but I did'nt want to put my tourney at risk so early-- which is why I tryed to control the pot a bit and not force him to that decision pre flop--innit

oynutter

You win a deepy by surviving to the final table with a solid image, not by winning a series of coin flips

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: SHOULD I HAVE FLAT CALLED THE FLOP AND SHOVED THE TURN?:

You win a deepy by surviving to the final table with a solid image, not by winning a series of coin flips
Posted by oynutter

It's quite hard to have a coin flip with KK lol.

No dude--obviously I call a shove--- but I did'nt want to put my tourney at risk so early-- which is why I tryed to control the pot a bit and not force him to that decision pre flop--innit

Surely you want as much money in the middle as possible with Kings PREFLOP ?

oynutter

70/30 against an ace dude-- not a flip, but 30% chance of getting knocked out in ten minutes if he had an ace, I would rather build the pot big and hope an ace dos'nt hit the flop