NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board

YoungUn

No reads on either player, haven't seen either before this session and I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from either of them.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Player X	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£21.45
	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.37
	Sit out
	Your hole cards	K J
Player Y	Raise		£0.90	£1.20	£22.14
	Fold
YoungUn	Call		£0.90	£2.10	£27.83
Player X	Call		£0.80	£2.90	£20.65
	Fold
Flop
		9 9 10
Player X	Check
Player Y	Check
YoungUn	Check
Turn
		2
Player X	Check
Player Y	Check
YoungUn	Check
River
		Q
Player X	Bet		£2.18	£5.08	£18.47
Player Y	Call		£2.18	£7.26	£19.96
YoungUn

Do we just call? If we raise, how much?

harvey23

raise to £7~ fold to a jam.

The_Don90

i probaqbly re-raise about double their bets, not interest has been whon till this point and its unlikley they have QQ or Q9.

GREGHOGG

Just a flat call for me, just in case lol

i have a feeling i could be chopping the pot with player X tho

beaneh

fold preflop if you dont raise river.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

fold preflop if you dont raise river.
Posted by beaneh

i would normally fold preflop, i hate calling a raise with KJ, horrid hand

beaneh

As I said if you're going to play it raising this river is a must.

waynec

Half the pot if your wanting to build the pot! does the player know you? If he does will he smell a rat so maybe play it as if on a draw.

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

Half the pot if your wanting to build the pot! does the player know you? If he does will he smell a rat so maybe play it as if on a draw.
Posted by waynecure

w t f we're already at d river!

and i raise to about ~£7

BlackFish3

I don't understand why you would consider just calling? If they had a boat surely they bet at flop or turn? If they do and you get stacked on the river it's just unlucky that they played it so bad and lucked out on you rivering the straight.

waynec

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : w t f we're already at d river! and i raise to about ~£7
Posted by SHANXTA

Ok sure you know what I mean BUILD  THE POT WITH A VALUE BET, and play it as you had a BUSTED draw  maybe not well put. But made clear now!!!

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

I don't understand why you would consider just calling? If they had a boat surely they bet at flop or turn? If they do and you get stacked on the river it's just unlucky that they played it so bad and lucked out on you rivering the straight.
Posted by BlackFish3

on a completely diff note, i jus spotted u on pokertube, being as polite as eva!

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : on a completely diff note, i jus spotted u on pokertube, being as polite as eva!
Posted by SHANXTA

You sure it was me? My alias on poker tube isn't blackfish. lol do i come across really not polite ?

yb

I dont mind calling with KJo on the button and I'd probably bet this flop actually.

As is I'd make it around £8.50 and call a shove

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : You sure it was me? My alias on poker tube isn't blackfish. lol do i come across really not polite ?
Posted by BlackFish3

lol unless sum1 else has stolen that same photo!

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : lol unless sum1 else has stolen that same photo!
Posted by SHANXTA

Ive used the photo but my alias isn't black fish.

DeucesLive

As played, auto raise for me- if someone has really played trip 9's or QQ that discreetly then wp, nh. But for the amount of times that'll be the case (very, very few) you'll make way more by raising in the long term. Second player almost guarantee you're beat.

You can't fold massive hands every time the board pairs for fear of a boat, unless there are clear as day signals that the player has hit it. Here every single signal points to someone having a Q at most.

YOUNG_GUN

Fold pre, as played i would raise about £6 with no reads this is

your more likely ahead assume someone would be betting more with FH

YoungUn

Results:

River
		Q
Player X	Bet		£2.18	£5.08	£18.47
Player Y	Call		£2.18	£7.26	£19.96
YoungUn	Raise		£7.60	£14.86	£20.23
Player X	Raise		£10.84	£25.70	£7.63
Player Y	Fold
YoungUn	Call		£5.42	£31.12	£14.81
Player X	Show	10 10
YoungUn	Show	K J
Chitta	Win	Full House, 10s and 9s	£29.57		£37.20

*Puke*.

YOUNG_GUN

not 100% suprised here, but think still be profitable to re-raise here imo

the FH is unlikely the way they played it but to perfection here, unlicky namesake

LOL_RAISE

id be betting the flop tbh, def raise river.

DeucesLive

all you can say in that spot is wp, they disguised their hand brilliantly. The check on flop is a given, and the turn check disguises it even further. I might say that they should have bet the turn, but the way it turned out was perfect for them, and they deserved a good pot from it. Unlikely to happen to you often at all though, still raise that river every time.

LOL_RAISE

yea you could say wp to them, aslong as you are being sarcastic

beaneh

Raise river, not raise call lol

yb

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

Raise river, not raise call lol
Posted by beaneh

Lol are you really folding getting 5/1?

YoungUn

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : Lol are you really folding getting 5/1?
Posted by yb

+1

It was a min 3-bet. Surely raise-fold to that little is awful?

beaneh

ya'll raise call if ya want. :-)

GREGHOGG

can i just say i was the only person to spot the danger and flat call

thank you.

beaneh

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

can i just say i was the only person to spot the danger and flat call thank you.
Posted by GREGHOGG

If you think call is the best overall play you don't see how often they will turn up with non fh hands that we can get value from. Raise folding is by far the superior play.

yb

OIn Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board:

In Response to Re: NL20 - River Straight on Paired Board : If you think call is the best overall play you don't see how often they will turn up with non fh hands that we can get value from. Raise folding is by far the superior play.
Posted by beaneh

Board: 9s 9d Tc 2d Qs
Dead: 

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     71.154%      53.85%     17.31%                 14             4.50   { TT-99, 22, KJs, Q9s, J8s, T9s, KJo, Q9o }
Hand 1:     28.846%      11.54%     17.31%                  3             4.50   { KhJc }


Raise cawwwling ftw!!!

And this isnt even counting the times he goes crazy with a 9, obviously deeper your right though

beaneh

raise fold the river. lol.

don't care if it's a min raise.