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good players?? or average players that just run good??
ive noticed recently ,that the so called good players on this site ,or players that are well known ,they just seem to run so good ,,,,i dont think theres much difference of talent ,between ur average joe, and the so called big name players ,they both call an allin with a flush draw or an open ended str8 draw ,the so called good players just run good ,,,,theres not that much difference in play between the two,,,,,,,yes, they probably do have a better understanding of the game ,and have more expierience,but talent wise i think its very marginal ,,,,,,,i mean to win a tournement these days ,is a big ask ,most of the players have a much better understanding of the game ,and its become a lot harder to grind out results ..........i bet theres a lot of players on the site ,playing exactly the same way as the so called good players ,that just dont get the results .............does that make them a bad player ? of course not ..running good ,and being catogarized as a good player ,,has a very thin line running through it .................i could even stick my neck out here ,and say lucky or unlucky ,is there that much of a difference ,between skill and luck ???????? have fun ROSIE
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I've only managed to win 6 main events this year, and I normally average 10 a year, so it seems my luck is bad.
You're right that there isn't much difference in the ''talent levels'' ....... but there is a difference, and that small difference makes all the difference.
Disclaimer: At no point in the above statements was any account taken regarding the status of Phil(luckbox)12uk
WELL I HAVE PROFITED CONSECUTIVELY FOR THE LAST 36 MONTHS ON SKYPOKER ,
THAT'S SOME IRISH LUCK FOR YEA LOL !
but i think if you make the right decisions a good percentage of the time you can have an edge on other players.
not all players call thier stack on flush draws (5/1 on the flop) or srt8 draws etc.......i agree with dohhhhhhh that cash players have the most skill,something i am trying to improve on....
But then the short stacker tilts me hard and i always run bad then
my apologies ,i think some of you ,have missed the point i was trying to make ,with regaurds too a few sarcastic replys ............the standard of play early on in amtt is pretty poor ,but when the mtt is running deep ,normally most plays are same, with the cards that your dealt ,90% of players will play the game accordingly ,with thier aa ,kk ,ak aq and so on.....you are going to get players like dohhhhhh,with a large chipstack raising the blinds with air ,thats part of the game ,i make these moves myself ................what im saying is ,its a very fine line between skill and luck at this stage of the tourny ,ive never won a tourny either without some luck along the way ............who ever is running good ,does not make them a good player , ,,,,,,,,,,,ok ,last night ,not on here ,i played a cash game ,but before i chose my table ,i done a player search ,,,,,,,,,the guy i was looking for is a atm machine ,he regulary deposits into my bankroll ,found him ,and he was sitting there with 8 buyins up????????? ,i played for 2 hours and lost 3 buy ins too him .............the guy could not miss hitting a monster flop all night ,i gave up in the end ,he was unbeatable ,,,,,,,he is a poor player ,running good ,skill ,or luck ???? certainly not skill ,luck yes running good yes .............good player ?no he certainly is not ,,,,there is a very fine line between skill ,luck ,running good ,,,,just cause your running good ,does not make you a good player ,or do you think otherwise??
Keep a track of your profits/losses over a lengthy period of time (and I mean several, several thousand hands) and from that you'll be able to get a good insight as to whether you're a winning player or not.
Cash and tournament players who make a profit over a long period are obviously more skilled than at least some of the people they are playing against. Everyone has a golden patch from time to time but constancy is the true test of ability.
Quite interesting posts,imo,I think to a certain extent you do state the obvious, (no disrespect intended ). I am exactly what you are suggesting, a poor player, ie unskilled and for the most part unlucky I accept that, I play just for fun not gain. I have won 3 out of the last 4 deepstacks does that make me a better player,not at all,I have no illusions whatsoever about that.What it actually proves is that the game can be full of anomalies Kind regards
on the turn there are 9 outs from the 45 remaining cards which is 0.2.
plus on the river there are 9 outs from the 44 remaining cards which is approx 0.2.
total probability is slightly less than 0.4. odds are therefore nearer to 5/2 or a perenctage chance of 39%
actual win chance is slightly lower as flush is beaten by quads, house etc and nears 35%
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Of course there must be players who are better than the average so must be considered "good".
As in any other sport/game it is often a matter of making less mistakes than the rest which makes the difference.
In cash games the distinction is clearer than in tournaments, where variance is a bigger factor.
But it is a fact that over the last couple of years the general standard of play has risen a lot on here. A while back there were a few players who could consistently win tournies. There are so many capable players around now that players with a big reputation can struggle and need to be on top of their game to succeed.
You only have to look at the results of the main nightly event over the last year, loads of different names. A couple of years back it was always the same faces at the final table.
But if you follow the results of the higher stakes deepstacks, the slight edge in talent that some players have still makes a difference.
Most cash players play cash to earn money. The majority of mtt players I know don't have the time to grind away at the cash tables and mtts offer the chance to make money for less input and risk. I admire cash players for their dedication and ability and the very best are also profitable and very proficient tournament players. But I know a lot of mtt players who could turn a regular profit at cash if they had the inclination. IMO as llong as you play at the correct level to your skill, it's far easier to make a steady profit over a period of years from cash than from mtt's.
I've played cash from time to time and generally made a profit. The thing is I don't need to be profitable because I earn far more than I probably could playing poker and so tournaments fullfil a need. The fact that I show a profit too is a bonus. This isn't an attempt to degrade cash players in any way, as I said I admire their dedication and skill, but I know that the skill isn't all at one end of the game. If it was the cash players would all be playing tournaments for the big bucks ....... and winning them all.
the average player(not all) doesnt get this concept and carries on regardless imho...