Should i feel guilty?

Gavinxxxx

Your in it to win it right? Then it dont matter how you knock them out, Aslong as its not by your fist!

Gavinxxxx

This happened to me last night in a live game ( £100 deepstack )

8 handed

All cards are dealt

5 players limp in
Big blind checks

I have ACE,5

Flop Comes

3 4 J (Rainbow)

Dealer then misses out first to act by mistake , and everyone checks, then the first person to act raises.

A ruler is called

As everyone else had checked, first to act couldnt raise (even though it wasn't his fault the dealer missed him out)

Turn comes

A

First to act now bets out, everyone folds comes to me.

My first thoughts are he has a jack, and not betting out now would just show he is behind to an ace.

I call

River Comes a 2 (Gives me a straight to the 5)

First to act now goes all in

i call, and i win and knock him out of the tournament


The big thing is though, if his raise had stood, i would of folded and he would still be in the tournament.

Fair play to the chap as he didnt make a fuss and just walked out.

However i then felt really guilty even though it was out of my hands, i could just play the game.

Would you feel guilty at this ?

The_Don90

its a dealer error nothing u could do.

Although in my venues and most similar run venues the raise would stand and it would go back in order.

Gavinxxxx

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

its a dealer error nothing u could do. Although in my venues and most similar run venues the raise would stand and it would go back in order.
Posted by The_Don90

The ruler did ask how many people had checked, so im guessing its something like if more than 2 people have checked or something like that.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty? : The ruler did ask how many people had checked, so im guessing its something like if more than 2 people have checked or something like that.
Posted by Gavinxxxx

Ive just check over the rule book ive to follow, it states:

"If a player or players act out of turn then this play will stand unless there is a bet from the missed player."

In this instance there was a bet from the missed player.

I will give an example of something that happened in my main venue a few weeks ago.

River is delt.

First to act is thinking, second to act suddenly shouts im all in.

First to act ponders before announcing a small bet, second to act mucks.

As player 1 bet, he nullified the all in, however if he decided ill check the all in would stand.

Gavinxxxx

I think what went against him was that he didnt say anything untill everyone else had checked, where as me if the dealer had missed me out i would of pointed it out, spesh if i had a raising hand

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

I think what went against him was that he didnt say anything untill everyone else had checked, where as me if the dealer had missed me out i would of pointed it out, spesh if i had a raising hand
Posted by Gavinxxxx

Desputes can be made right up until the next hand is delt, if im your opponent here and im thinking and the player is infront checks, id recommend saying "wait im deciding on my play" or something along these lines. This would be enough to attract the dealers attention to his mistake.

Unfortunetly it seems your opponent has waited until the entire table has done this before saying "im betting"

By my understanding of the rules the bet must still stand, however clearly this venue doent see that.

If i where you i wouldnt complain, however it does seem your opponent didnt question it enough. However you won the hand in the end, and that is all that matters, if it affected the outcome or not.

DAVEYZZ

not your fault so you just abide by the ruling and take the chips,this one happened to me.....i have kk,flop aaq i bet he calls turn x i go all in and dealer turns river before player acts,it was a blank card and players said he was gonna call anyway and shows a/10,the casino ruling is the card is dead and you deal the third card from the bottom of the deck.......the card? k!
so i win.........(the player wasnt as gracious as your player sounds though!)

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

not your fault so you just abide by the ruling and take the chips,this one happened to me.....i have kk,flop aaq i bet he calls turn x i go all in and dealer turns river before player acts,it was a blank card and players said he was gonna call anyway and shows a/10,the casino ruling is the card is dead and you deal the third card from the bottom of the deck.......the card? k! so i win.........(the player wasnt as gracious as your player sounds though!)
Posted by DAVEYZZ

This is correct ruling. Unfortunetly i know the money wasnt changing anything but the river clearly made no differance to the hand, unfortunetly it is dead and its unfortunet for ur opponent that the re-deal was a K.

Glad to see we have some places running situations correctly lol

Gavinxxxx

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty? : Desputes can be made right up until the next hand is delt, if im your opponent here and im thinking and the player is infront checks, id recommend saying "wait im deciding on my play" or something along these lines. This would be enough to attract the dealers attention to his mistake. Unfortunetly it seems your opponent has waited until the entire table has done this before saying "im betting" By my understanding of the rules the bet must still stand, however clearly this venue doent see that. If i where you i wouldnt complain, however it does seem your opponent didnt question it enough. However you won the hand in the end, and that is all that matters, if it affected the outcome or not.
Posted by The_Don90

Thats the thing he wasnt thinking, the dealer pointed straight to the person to his left (this is where the victim should of informed the dealer of his mistake) nobody acted out of turn as the dealer was telling the player to the victims left it was his turn

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty? : Thats the thing he wasnt thinking, the dealer pointed straight to the person to his left (this is where the victim should of informed the dealer of his mistake) nobody acted out of turn as the dealer was telling the player to the victims left it was his turn
Posted by Gavinxxxx

Yea, but its still the same effect.

Same ruling to my understanding of the rules.

Gavinxxxx

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty? : Yea, but its still the same effect. Same ruling to my understanding of the rules.
Posted by The_Don90

Your probs right, this was walsall afterall lol

cookie83

I Wouldn't feel guilty at all, wasn't your fault and the guy still played two streets after the flop.

Out of interest what did he have?

Gavinxxxx

In Response to Re: Should i feel guilty?:

I Wouldn't feel guilty at all, wasn't your fault and the guy still played two streets after the flop. Out of interest what did he have?
Posted by cookie83

Dont know, he mucked when i showed the straight

ALIVEHAT60

In Response to Should i feel guilty?:


I like your style,you probably deserved to win,but the fact that you could feel for the guy,says a lot about who you are.    Kind regards

The_Don90

I had a similar situation tonight.

It wasnt one of my venues and the rules here are a little spewy.

I was on BB with 62os flop came K high with a 2 in it, checked round to cutoff, and he went to bet, he was last to act and dealer showed the turn it was a 6.

The bet was told to stand but only on the turn, i folded saying "Out of respect, im folding as that card affects my desision."

Turns out after the hand the person from UTG called down and the hands where shown cutoff had 62 suited, i showed and we had a laugh.

However i folded simply because i had the respect to, also i had quadruple the starting stack so ddnt need to win it.