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My study on NL4

edited September 2010 in The Poker Clinic
Ok so recently ive been playing alot on NL4, i recently woundered, why did i find this level inparticular so hard when i first played it. Ive walked through tournaments easier than ive taken cash of this when i first same, frustration of my opponents.

However i think i managed to come up with it and decided despite wanting to avoid playing NL4 S&G's werent going so good so i decided why not have a go at it and understand why i was able to make a profit on it evenutally. So below is what ive learnt.


1. Forget everything you ever knew and keep it simple
Ok so ill start right at the beginning of when i came to NL4. The most part of this is advice for a S&G or MTT player who is used to making certain plays in order to win a pot. Don't do them, this area will pay you off regardless. So keep it simple and make sure you have it BEFORE betting.


2. Bet Sizing
This is probably the most common problem of anyone first starting out at NL4. Now preflop i almost never bet less than 20p. I usually add on 4p for every caller already made. If im 3-betting a raise to 20p i always make it 80p-£1. Post flop if im confident im ahead im betting 3/4 of the pot at the minimum, people will chase their draws. On the turn if your sure their on a draw pot it more often than not, make them pay for it, however remember often they will have a hand rather than a draw. River 3/4 of the pot is my favoured bet, remember though to keep an eye on your and your opponents stack size.



3. Missing/hitting the flop
This again is a common mistake i see off a new player when it comes to NL4. C-betting is rarley an option and NL4. I have started doing it again recently but ONLY when i have good notes that my opponent is likley to respect a c-bet. Hitting the flop when your not the raiser is simple. Say you call 78 suited OOP flop top pair and an up and down draw, bet all the same, if you try to check raise expessially at this level the opponent likley would rather call than make another barrel out. 



4. Notes
This is probably one of the key things at any level weather it be in cash, tournaments or S&G's, however in my personal experiance in NL4 it is even more important. There are players here that wont lay A high, or any sort of draw down until the river, i have notes on some players telling me this and i usually try to get it all in on the flop if ive got an over pair, TPTK or two pair etc. 



5. Remember names, and make friends
One thing i have found very helpful when im not multi-tabling at NL4 is the chatbox. Another is remembering names of opponents. Most importantly remember the name of the weaker "free money" opponents and try to find as many of these as possible for each and every session. I also make notes on them telling me that just incase i forget a name from time to time, when i find one do a player search and make sure your on all their tables. Another thing is try to make friends with the more serious NL4 regulars, a vast number of these at the price of a good conversation will often lead to giving out information on other "free money" players. I recently was at a NL8 table with a vast amount of NL8 players, we where all following a player who a regular told me was a "free money" player, the regular was that confident of this they had their name on the find a player tab so they knew the minute they sat down. I took a fair amount off the player in question. 



6. Keeping profit
One thing i wouldnt normally recommened for cash but i would for NL4 is one you have won a couple of buy ins on a table, unless theirs a "free money" player or two present, get off the table when your in profit, a suck out can only ever be around the corner at this level and it can cost you, and because a vast amount of players are calling stations its hard to tell alot of the time if your ahead or behind. So i usually have 3-4 tables running and i pick which ones arent going well get them to small profits and leave while getting the ones im running well in, into biggest possible profits it can. I try to leave each table once per hour always in profit, also loading different tables as often as i can. This is also good when first starting for quickly gaining notes on a player.


7. Multi-Tabling 
This is again another thing i fully recommened for those who can do it at this level. I prefer to quad table NL4, it maximies potential profit, aswell as giving you the ability to lay bigger hands down when your sucked out on as a bigger hand is likley to come, most of the multi table benifits are even more benificial at this level.


8. Always start with the max
Ok so this is a pretty standard thing at any cash table but even more so at NL4. Most of the players here start with anything from 40p-£4, same as any level but at NL4 so few of the players start with £4 apart from the stronger cleverer regulars. This means if you start with £4 you will almost always have most of your opponents covered. This means if you do recieve a bad beat to a random any-2 card guy you will still have cash back meaning less of a reload, aswell as more money can be taken off that player next time.



Ok not the greatest study ever made in history but its certainly the correct way to approch NL4 and its how i feel i make money off this level.

Comments

  • edited September 2010
    In Response to My study on NL4:
    level weather it be in cash
    Posted by The_Don90
    so does this mean its literally raining money?



    good post though don must have taken ages to write up!
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    In Response to My study on NL4 : so does this mean its literally raining money? good post though don must have taken ages to write up!
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    lol my spelling is terrible.

    Thanks, it wasnt so much writing it up that was the problem it was taking notes on what worked, what didnt, not going bust in the process while trying it all out consistantly.
  • edited September 2010

    good post i thick u are right about bet sizeing it is the most commen thing i have seen playing on sky from min bet to all ramdom. very gd post some gd tips there

  • edited September 2010
    no matter how much you study it u just cant account for the amateurs who play this level...
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    clemo1980 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.19
    christiann Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £10.78
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    Gigglez Fold     
    VWBAYVAN Call  £0.04 £0.10 £3.92
    xCall  £0.04 £0.14 £0.22
    jaieboy196 Call  £0.04 £0.18 £5.08
    clemo1980 Call  £0.02 £0.20 £3.17
    christiann Raise  £0.20 £0.40 £10.58
    VWBAYVAN Call  £0.20 £0.60 £3.72
    xCall  £0.20 £0.80 £0.02
    jaieboy196 Fold     
    clemo1980 Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • 10
    • 9
         
    christiann Bet  £0.40 £1.20 £10.18
    VWBAYVAN Fold     
    All-in  £0.02 £1.22 £0.00
    christiann Unmatched bet  £0.38 £0.84 £10.56
    christiann Show
    • Q
    • A
       
    xShow
    • 3
    • 7
       
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • 7
         
    Win Two Pairs, 9s and 7s £0.78  £0.78
  • edited September 2010
    Nice post Don.

    I think I was c-betting too much but have reigned this in recently after losing multiple BI's.

    I usually raise 16p plus 4p for every limper but will give 20p a go, can see the logic as there is often multiple callers anyway.
  • edited September 2010
    Christiann this is exactly why i meantioned about the c-betting being pointless.

    You aint got anything, and people dnt understand this, they see ooh i have pair of 9s im winning.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    Christiann this is exactly why i meantioned about the c-betting being pointless. You aint got anything, and people dnt understand this, they see ooh i have pair of 9s im winning.
    Posted by The_Don90
    yeah i suppose your right, you have gotta forget everything u know!

    good post btw
  • edited September 2010
    Good post Don.. Made interesting reading.


  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4 : yeah i suppose your right, you have gotta forget everything u know! good post btw
    Posted by christiann
    :) i know, i found it very challengeing comming from £5 BH's and freezeouts to suddenly this. Ok the bounty hunters helped me a little, but this is so different they respect nothing.


    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    Good post Don.. Made interesting reading.
    Posted by punxxs_13
    Thanks.
  • edited September 2010
    Good post Don and all made sense.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    Good post Don and all made sense.
    Posted by waynecure
    Thats got to be a first for me. :)
  • edited September 2010

    If they're gonna be calling/stacking off post flop when they completely miss the flop, then surely c betting is going to be a winning play with ace high?
  • edited September 2010
    im trying this out now using ur notes will notify u of how i get on
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    If they're gonna be calling/stacking off post flop when they completely miss the flop, then surely c betting is going to be a winning play with ace high?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    No, because then youve still only got A high. And how many times will they have actually hit the flop to having missed the flop?
  • edited September 2010
    Well they miss more than they hit?
  • ybyb
    edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: My study on NL4:
    If they're gonna be calling/stacking off post flop when they completely miss the flop, then surely c betting is going to be a winning play with ace high?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    If they really are calling cbets with atc then you can bet ace high for value. But most times they're folding random stuff that has totally missed the flop, so checking back AK/AQ is probably best on dry flops as you have s/d value and you aren't folding out better hardly ever.
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