is the call bad or the push all in

unknown_username · September 2010

Flop
dav1964	Small blind		50.00	50.00	7262.50
Whizzewky	Big blind		100.00	150.00	2330.00
	Your hole cards	8 J
AVM84	Raise		400.00	550.00	3684.99
outr	Call		400.00	950.00	3473.75
vicci2107	Fold
rob12345	All-in		4076.25	5026.25	0.00
dav1964	Fold
Whizzewky	Fold
AVM84	Fold
outr	All-in		3473.75	8500.00	0.00
rob12345	Unmatched bet		202.50	8297.50	202.50
outr	Show	K Q
rob12345	Show	8 J
		2 5 K
Turn
		K
River
		A
outr	Win	Three Kings	8297.50		8297.50

unknown_username · September 2010

both player had been loose raiseing and don't need a big hand so i made a move i thick i had fold equate

HartshorN · September 2010

Suicide.

Even if they had been loose, theres 2 more players to act after you, j8 is rubbish and if they have been loose it means j10, QJ, etc are likely hands there gonna push with leaving you dominated!

waynec · September 2010

You had 40 x BBs out of position with J rag and shove all in to a raise and a call crazy m8.... fold!

Buster69 · September 2010

lol the call and the push all in are both stupid play IMO just muck it and get on with the next hand theres no need to try these silly moves when you got so many BB's

lynx3ffect · September 2010

i think if you were bb and they were btn/sb a shove wud be a nice play (altho i think a 3x raise has the same effect without risking your life)

even if u say there are loose, have u actually seen his hands he raised utg or were they raising late position? a utg raise and utg+1 call suggests someone is pretty strong, one of them easily has a hand like 99/TT that will snap u off and ur in a world of pain....

unknown_username · September 2010

fair play it was a new move i was trying in a torny i still thick the call wif kq is bad and should have work maybe i should look at my opponents and know if thay can lay down any hand when thay have raise or called

unknown_username · September 2010

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in:

You had 40 x BBs out of position with J rag and shove all in to a raise and a call crazy m8.... fold!
Posted by waynecure

postition dose not matter when u are all in

unknown_username · September 2010

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in:

Suicide. Even if they had been loose, theres 2 more players to act after you, j8 is rubbish and if they have been loose it means j10, QJ, etc are likely hands there gonna push with leaving you dominated!
Posted by HartshorN

yeh but thay sould not be calling wif hands like that the only hands i fort thay would call wif is AA KK QQ JJ AK maybe AQ 10s and i fort the first raiser was not strong and the second player would re rasie wif all them hands so i get a fold most of the time.

Buster69 · September 2010

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in:

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in : yeh but thay sould not be calling wif hands like that the only hands i fort thay would call wif is AA KK QQ JJ AK maybe AQ 10s and i fort the first raiser was not strong and the second player would re rasie wif all them hands so i get a fold most of the time.
Posted by rob12345

Yes as it was they shouldn't have called but what i think players are suggesting is that in the long run this shove all in will get you in trouble as it did here

unknown_username · September 2010

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in:

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in : Yes as it was they shouldn't have called but what i think players are suggesting is that in the long run this shove all in will get you in trouble as it did here
Posted by Buster69

yeh just trying new things see wot happens

waynec · September 2010

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in:

In Response to Re: is the call bad or the push all in : postition dose not matter when u are all in
Posted by rob12345

This is correct, I was referring to the situation in general, even thinking of play J8 to a raise and a call was mad but shoving was crazy as at least one of them could have a hand to call with, the villians call was not the best IMO.
We have to admit Rob nit-picking at my terminology still does not justify your play, you post for peoples opinions, read them, then accept them or dismiss them as you see fit.