Bad fold?

punxxs_13

Is this a bad fold??
Guy was a bit aggro! Think maybe I missed a trick and should have called.
Opinions please.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		300.00	300.00	18611.25
punxxs_13	Big blind		600.00	900.00	16740.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
SAS10	Fold
Ozzie08	Fold
Cowgomoo	Fold
izabel	Fold
x	Call		300.00	1200.00	18311.25
punxxs_13	Raise		1200.00	2400.00	15540.00
x	Call		1200.00	3600.00	17111.25
Flop
		K J 4
x	Check
punxxs_13	Bet		2400.00	6000.00	13140.00
x	All-in		17111.25	23111.25	0.00
punxxs_13	Fold
x	Muck
x	Win		8400.00		8400.00
x	Return		14711.25	0.00	23111.25

Batkin88

yeah i think he had a low pocket pair but could of easily had a queen with a terrible kicker.
But i personally think a call here

DeucesLive

wow... tough spot... I hate limp callers for this exact reason.

A lot depends on how good he is. If he's a good player, he's thinking you're c-betting having missed the flop (though having raised, a K or J is very much in your range) or he has a flush draw and cuonting on fold equity.

If he's a bad player, he could well have K rag, which hit. It all depends on how you read his game, and how willing to take a chance you are- bear in mind there are still 2 cards to come so you're not drawing completely dead whatever he has, you have 2 cards for a straight and still 2 queens to hit. The thing leaping at me though is the fact he's limp called pre, then suddenly shoved. That's not the sort of thing a passive player would do unless they have the goods.

I think I'd reluctantly fold without a good read on his game.

Dudeskin8

Snap fold, even if he's aggro I can't see him shoving over a strong c bet with air, maybe he had flush draw but imo I don't take that risk.

LOL_RAISE

well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player.

folding is fine imo

DeucesLive

In Response to Re: Bad fold?:

well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player. folding is fine imo
Posted by LOL_RAISE

Well, not to split hairs but he limped SB and then called a 3x raise- I agree it's not an optimal play, especially at that stage, but you never know if he's got a plan or not- you need more information than a single hand. He could be trapping with a big hand, he could have a plan to convey weakness, he could be just a complete muppet. Based just on this hand, I'm inclined to believe he's not great, but I'm not sure I agree that limp calling a hand automatically makes you a bad player.

beaneh

In Response to Re: Bad fold?:

well he limp calls 5x pre so he is never a good player. folding is fine imo
Posted by LOL_RAISE

learn to read he limp calls a min raise!

raise more pre, b/f flop is fine. 

SHANXTA

doesnt he limp call 2x?

DeucesLive

In Response to Re: Bad fold?:

In Response to  Re: Bad fold? : learn to read he limp calls a min raise! raise more pre, b/f flop is fine. 
Posted by beaneh

He's in the BB, it's a 3x raise right? I think the way he played it was pretty good throughout, maybe a 4x raise pre but realistically you'd want the single customer with queens more often than not.

donkeyplop

beaneh is right as usual!

the bb was 600 and he raised for 1200 hense min raise.............................

beaneh

sky hh's doing my head in atm lol

LOL_RAISE

meh blind levels are double what i thought they were

hes still bad!

the way sky hh works is that the raise is on top of your current wager, so its 1200+ the 600bb he has in there. deuces is good at reading the rest of us arent

punxxs_13

Thanks for the comments guys.

I raised it up to 1800.. So 3 x the BB.

He could have had anything really.. Most likely hand is a King.. But he could easily have done that on a draw or with a jack.. Just didn't no where I was so folded it.