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What age do you start teaching someone poker?

edited September 2010 in Poker Chat
Hi all,

My wife and I are having a bit of a struggle trying to decide what to do regarding our seven year old son.

We were on holiday in Scotland a few weeks ago and we took a poker set with us to play in the evenings when the kids (we also have a nine year old daughter) were in bed.

They've both been pestering (for want of a better word) for a while for my wife and I to show them how to play poker. I honestly thought that they'd play for a bit, get bored and move on to something else.

How wrong was I?

To our amazement, my son got hold of the basics very quickly (he's S.E.N. G.A.T.* which explains a lot anyway) and soon had a firm grasp of the hand ranking etc. He's also now started to get his head around bet sizing etc. He's thouroghly enjoying playing poker.

Now there is no way on God's green earth that we'd let either of the kids play on-line or for real money (at home or on-line) but is seven years old too young?

I'm not just saying it for the sake of saying it but my son has a real talent for this. We've been playing a couple of times a week for around an hour and every time he's finished chip leader! He's even started trying to suss out what other people might have in there hands.

Like I say, is seven too young? Should we move away from poker for a while then come back to it in a few years? Should we carry on encouraging his learning?

He's good at chess as well and has given me some stern thrashings in the past, not that I'm any good.

Your thoughts and comments would be very much appreciated. Please let me know if you need any more detail etc.

Thanks,

Richard


* = Special Educational Needs, Gifted And Talented (exceptional maths and reading skills for a seven year old, reading age of around 12).

Comments

  • edited September 2010
    nice post !!!

    If your only playing for fun then i see no harm in teaching your seven year old !!!! why not teach him early so when he hits 18 with the  right gambling knowledge good and bad points drilled home early he could enjoy the game as much as you , my little girl is six and although she hasn't ever played she enjoys watching me online and has picked up some of the hands all by herself !!!

    good luck

    monkey123
  • edited September 2010
    i think he is a genius, good Question. my lil bro who is 7 also bit of a genius keeps asking me to teach him as im always playing it, thing is my mum is not keen on me playing so i got no chance on teaching him otherwise i will be in the mum's bad books. i would only play with chips and no values obv but he is a bad loser as it is so probably not the best idea

    I think its fine if your child is interested to play now and again as i used to play solitaire when i was younger and done me no harm. just when he gets a bit older and wants to play for money you will have to give him some advice re: dont play with what you cant afford to lose also not to play for money at school as i've heard of someone who has and get in big trouble(dont get caught if he does :P)
  • edited September 2010
    I didn't learn to play until I was 21. And look at me now!


    So yeah, get them into it early.
  • edited September 2010
    tk started at 15 and that was 25years ago so if you want your son to look a little worst for ware at 32 then go for it.del(only joking lol)
  • edited September 2010
    You could have a SnG goldmine there tbf. :)
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    nice post !!! If your only playing for fun then i see no harm in teaching your seven year old !!!! why not teach him early so when he hits 18 with the  right gambling knowledge good and bad points drilled home early he could enjoy the game as much as you , my little girl is six and although she hasn't ever played she enjoys watching me online and has picked up some of the hands all by herself !!! good luck monkey123
    Posted by monkey123
    Thanks for that reply. I've never hidden the fact that poker IS gambling with a very high level of skill required to get anywhere. The more skill you have, the less likely you are to lose money.

    The kids have always watch me play both on Sky Poker and another poker site that I use. I've had hands shown on Sky Poker TV before and the kids have got very excited about Daddy being on the TV (even if it is only my avatar). None the less, the hands that have been shown were winning ones so they now think I'm some sort of poker god! If only they knew ha ha.

    What do other people think?

    Richard
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    i think he is a genius, good Question. my lil bro who is 7 also bit of a genius keeps asking me to teach him as im always playing it, thing is my mum is not keen on me playing so i got no chance on teaching him otherwise i will be in the mum's bad books. i would only play with chips and no values obv but he is a bad loser as it is so probably not the best idea I think its fine if your child is interested to play now and again as i used to play solitaire when i was younger and done me no harm. just when he gets a bit older and wants to play for money you will have to give him some advice re: dont play with what you cant afford to lose also not to play for money at school as i've heard of someone who has and get in big trouble(dont get caught if he does :P)
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Good points Young_gun, thanks.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    tk started at 15 and that was 25years ago so if you want your son to look a little worst for ware at 32 then go for it.del(only joking lol)
    Posted by DELTA
    Good point. Cross-stitch and poetry it is from now on! LOL!
  • edited September 2010
    I don't see a problem with it as it is just for fun. Keeps exercising the grey matter!

    Maybe when a bit older you can play for sweets (or something) to get him used to the idea of losing something and so to play within your means.

    Sounds like you've got your hands full! Good luck.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    You could have a SnG goldmine there tbf. :)
    Posted by scotty77
    You read my mind there Scotty.

    We're not going to let him play on a PC for cash (or even play money) until he's legally old enough to do so. We're not even going to play for money at home, just chips.

    I'm pretty sure though that if he sticks at it, he could do well. You'd have to see him in action to know what I mean. I think it's his bet sizing that's impressed me most. There were a couple of times when I last played him when he looked at me and I could just tell that he was trying to work out what he had in my hand. Because we always show our cards at the end of each hand I think he's been able to build up a grasp of my range. He's made a couple of very good folds and a whole bunch of very well timed and placed raises.

    Maybe I should film some hands and put them on you-tube? You'll be able to see what I'm banging on about then
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    I don't see a problem with it as it is just for fun. Keeps exercising the grey matter! Maybe when a bit older you can play for sweets (or something) to get him used to the idea of losing something and so to play within your means. Sounds like you've got your hands full! Good luck.
    Posted by walesboy
    I like the idea of playing for sweets, great suggestion. I'll mention that to my wife when I see her later on.
  • edited September 2010
    i have a 6yo autistic child and he always sits with me watching me play. he likes telling me what cards are on the screen and stuff. i also think that the mathamatic side of poker is good for the brain. i dont see anything wrong with you teaching your child.
  • edited September 2010


    Just a suggestion, but why don't you go to one of those bookies who take bets on 'things you think your child might do' (Trevor Harris mentioned this in last night's Primo show on 865) and see if they will give you any odds on your child cashing in the WSOP before he is say 25?

    I have also got a lad of 9 (who also has a reading/maths etc ability of 12+) and he often plays me (only for chips and never any cash involved btw) with the poker gear I have got (table & chips for live pub poker) and he does seem to grasp ranking hands, sort of odds, and other things which does impress me. 

    However.....I do feel this is one of them subjects which some people who are in the 'poker is gambling and therefore wrong' brigade will judge with some contempt but like yourself, I hope to teach my son all the good and bad points of poker in later years and for now I am happy to let him enjoy playing for fun and learning as part of his general growing up.

    Regards,

    Alan
  • edited September 2010
    If your boy is that good and he enjoys it let him play! I started very young although my pops is a pro gambler so kinda lead me in to the world of poker! But let him play and make up his mind if he still wants to play when he is older. I wouldn't reccomend stopping him playing it does no harm if there is no monies involved!! I wouldnt recommend putting anything on you tube tho as it is absolutely jam packed full of weirdos! Put it on ur facebook page and add players wh would like to see that way its protected
  • edited September 2010
    as an  aside, most of the top online grinders started at like 15.


  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    Just a suggestion, but why don't you go to one of those bookies who take bets on 'things you think your child might do' (Trevor Harris mentioned this in last night's Primo show on 865) and see if they will give you any odds on your child cashing in the WSOP before he is say 25? I have also got a lad of 9 (who also has a reading/maths etc ability of 12+) and he often plays me (only for chips and never any cash involved btw) with the poker gear I have got (table & chips for live pub poker) and he does seem to grasp ranking hands, sort of odds, and other things which does impress me.  However.....I do feel this is one of them subjects which some people who are in the 'poker is gambling and therefore wrong' brigade will judge with some contempt but like yourself, I hope to teach my son all the good and bad points of poker in later years and for now I am happy to let him enjoy playing for fun and learning as part of his general growing up. Regards, Alan
    Posted by MAXALLY
    Great reply, Maxally. Thanks.

    Looks like we're of the same mind here. 

    I'm keen to get comments and suggestions from all sides, good or bad. After careful consideration and discussion, my wife and I will decide what's best.

    I really do value people's opinion here which is why I wasn't afraid to ask. I know that we're potentially opening ourselves up to criticism but giving the support for the idea so far, I think that's going to be limited. There's already been some great ideas posted and I think/hope there's going to be more.

    If we give them a good grounding in the mechanics of poker now, the gambling side of it can be introduced later on down the line. That's the way my mind is going at the moment but as I said above, opinions from both sides of the fence would be great.

    Richard  
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    If your boy is that good and he enjoys it let him play! I started very young although my pops is a pro gambler so kinda lead me in to the world of poker! But let him play and make up his mind if he still wants to play when he is older. I wouldn't reccomend stopping him playing it does no harm if there is no monies involved!! I wouldnt recommend putting anything on you tube tho as it is absolutely jam packed full of weirdos! Put it on ur facebook page and add players wh would like to see that way its protected
    Posted by Batkin88
    Another great idea, thanks Batkin. 

    I should have added to my you-tube suggestion that there'd be no faces etc. just voice and the hands but I like your suggestion for facebook. That's got a lot going for it.
  • edited September 2010
    i play Omaha with my daughter & she definately holds her own - against me probably fairly easy!

    She's 8.
  • edited September 2010
    My friend, in my opinion you are doing the correct thing. No money is being used so there can be no harm. If they are learning the percentages as well it can only improve their maths skills (wait till they get to secondary school...woohoo). As long as they continue to enjoy the game carry on. Also see if they enjoy other forms of poker and maybe backgammon; i hear that a lot of the top pros play these for strategy. Doesn't seem to have done them any harm! Best wishes.
  • edited September 2010
    Sounds like you have a clever kid! :P.

    Im only 19 and I wish I played cards at a younger age. My dad however knows all sorts of card games inside out as he spent his youth playing them. This was mainly due to not having a 40 inch television parked in the front room and a computer to play games on. I for one definatly think you should encourage your son to play poker, just as long as you tell him to take it easy on me in 11 years time!
  • edited September 2010
    IMO If your child has a talent you should encourage them to further that talent as much as possible. You are clearly a very sensible and mature parent so i see no problem in letting them play. By not letting them play for money they will learn to love poker rather than love the money you can earn.

    If he is still into poker by the time he is in his teens then thats when BRM should be drilled into them, a good player doesn't need to spend much money on poker as they can start a bankroll from a small deposit. Tell them the story of TJ Cloutier (or what ever his name is) Won a WSOP bracelet and still had to sell it to afford to keep playing (although most of that was due to casino games).

    He clearly has a talent for the game and in the future could be a great player, but as long as he realises the downside of the game, that nobody is invinsible then I can't see why you shouldn't encourage him to play.
  • edited September 2010
    Thanks for all the great comments, guys. It's really helped.
  • edited September 2010
    i started a few years ago when i was like 15 playing for quavers with my mates as they taught me, now they call me addicted lol, there isnt a right or wrong age tbf.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    as an  aside, most of the top online grinders started at like 15.
    Posted by scotty77
    How i wish I had stsrted at 15 and not the end of last year at 29!!

    I could of been rich by now (maybe)  ;)
  • edited September 2010
    Jus give the kid ya credit card details and live off his winnings!
  • edited September 2010
    I started teaching my son to play poker aged 10 when he was deemed legally responsible, so could no longer go shoplifting for me. It hasn't done him any harm and he's been getting really good at it lately, and everyone has found his behaviour much improved lately, so much so that he is even being considered for early release, im so proud of him.
  • edited September 2010
    great question mr linux. imy son is now 12 years old and enjoys playing the game with me, and  when he does play poker on the play tables he usually wins so i say why not. my son is already very good with money though and is always saving so is very responsible and it is only a good thing.its making them understand the value of money aswell that is important.
  • edited September 2010
    In Response to Re: What age do you start teaching someone poker?:
    Sounds like you have a clever kid! :P. Im only 19 and I wish I played cards at a younger age. My dad however knows all sorts of card games inside out as he spent his youth playing them. This was mainly due to not having a 40 inch television parked in the front room and a computer to play games on. I for one definatly think you should encourage your son to play poker, just as long as you tell him to take it easy on me in 11 years time!
    Posted by What_if

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  • edited September 2010
    i showed my daughter at 6 and she's a good abc player now she's 11 lol. she loves maths and it's the perfect game for showing % etc from a maths sense
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