Guide to being careful with starting hands and catching some of the flop.

Talon

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
JACKSDEN	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1950.00
tomsk	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1755.00
	Your hole cards	J 3 J Q
Overrater	Raise		70.00	100.00	1930.00
CharlieWin	Call		70.00	170.00	2430.00
bit of flop	Call		70.00	240.00	1705.00
Talon	Call		70.00	310.00	1920.00
JACKSDEN	Call		60.00	370.00	1890.00
tomsk	Call		50.00	420.00	1705.00
Flop
		4 4 J
JACKSDEN	Check
tomsk	Check
overrater	Bet		420.00	840.00	1510.00
CharlieWin	Fold
bit of flop	Call		420.00	1260.00	1285.00
Talon	All-in		1920.00	3180.00	0.00
JACKSDEN	Fold
tomsk	Fold
overrater	All-in		1510.00	4690.00	0.00
bit of flop	All-in		1285.00	5975.00	0.00
overrater	Unmatched bet		10.00	5965.00	10.00
overrater	Show	3 A A K
bit of flop	Show	10 4 10 9
Talon	Show	J 3 J Q
Turn
		Q
River
		3
Talon	Win	Full House, Jacks and 4s	5965.00		5965.00

Talon

Whilst playing this hand i put the original raiser on a big PP. When the flop hit and the c-bet came out i was then convinced and the flat call that followed told me that the guy either had a big PP or a solitary 4, more than likely the latter. So i had no problem in shipping knowing i had 1 opponent drawing to a 2 outer and the other drawing to a 1 outer.

  This hand is not about my play which was quite standard but about my 2 opponents who decided they could not lay down their virtually dead hands despite being asked for all their chips.

debdobs_67

So what kind of thread are we reading then a 'name and shame one'?

Talon

 A warning about how weak hands can be in omaha that would be really strong in NLHE. If it was name and shame i would not have changed the names.

debdobs_67

Alas im afraid now we all know that 'bit of flop' and 'overrater' are complete muppets;o)

yb

I'm no omaha expert but isn't calling a raise with your hand pretty bad?

Talon

  It was on the loose side.But at the time was getting nearly 4 to 1 and i knew i would not be that far behind any possible holding. Plus i knew that if i missed the flop i would fold to any bet and so therefore had very low loss expectation and the chance to take down a big pot.

LOL_RAISE

i think 100bb deep in a donkamet you can jsut set mine w/ it profitably