snapshoves river

offshoot

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rosiedog00	Small blind		£1.00	£1.00	£246.18
0mc	Big blind		£2.00	£3.00	£448.28
	Your hole cards	6 9
BrownnDog	Fold
BOMBDOG	Fold
offshoot	Raise		£8.00	£11.00	£604.02
fabry	Fold
rosiedog00	Fold
0mc	Call		£6.00	£17.00	£442.28
Flop
		Q 7 J
0mc	Check
offshoot	Bet		£12.00	£29.00	£592.02
0mc	Raise		£24.00	£53.00	£418.28
offshoot	Call		£12.00	£65.00	£580.02
Turn
		8
0mc	Bet		£48.75	£113.75	£369.53
offshoot	Call		£48.75	£162.50	£531.27
River
		2
0mc	All-in		£369.53	£532.03	£0.00
offshoot?

BrownnDog

Snap fold river

Batkin88

he has to have the nuts, but in that situation im prob calling then crying

kirstii

Without any reads you gota fold, do you have any info on the player from previous run ins?

OMahonyO

Weird.  If he had the flush, surely he must know that you are a decent ebough player to not pay off his shove without the flush, meaning he has to put you on the flush, wich is kinda tough?
You are never paying him off with the straight, or any other hand.
Ive seen the mr move with fd or oesd etc at lower levels but didnt think that would go on up here at these stakes.
Also, didnt he drop like 7k in an hr to lolufold the other day, does he tilt, i dunno.

Obv this is not advice lol, just questions.  I would be interested to know what you think of them...

donkeyplop

How bizarre..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJe8hQ8ha0

freechips1

what hands will villan min raise flop with?  I have not played much with this villan so i have no reads but i dont think he is the best player.  if i had seen him min raise flops with 2 pair or sets then i have to call/pay him off.
If i had seen him min raise flops with flush draw then i have to fold sat this deep.

freechips1

well offshoot, what did you do on river? what was your read on the min raise on the flop.

offshoot

well even though i have played villain i didnt keep any notes so i dont know what the minraise means, i assumed it was either a flush draw or KT/Q7/J7/777 with a small amount of air. When he fires turn i obv have to call cos i have a flush but i figured he would check river if he had KT or any 2 pair/set. When he shoves im pretty sure he has none of those hands and most likely a flush. If he'd bet 3/4 pot i would probably call river hoping he has a weaker flush/straight/set/air but when he shoves it seems like its the nuts more often than not so i folded. I could have been way off though, sometimes villains overvalue the strength of their hand.

freechips1

he could of over played 9,10 but you only have put 40BB in, im sure you will find much beter spots in the future vs this villan.
I think lolufold has played alot with this guy, i would love to know what he makes of the min raise and over bet on river.

offshoot

Brownndog said it was a snap fold, i assume hes played with him enough to know its the nuts.

OMahonyO

offshoot, my questions.  Are they the type of qustions I should be including in my thought process for this level, or are they just basic lower limit stuff.  Would you be thinking the same.  Esp the part where you can only call with a flush, meaning thats what he has to put you on for the massive shove?

offshoot

i think villain is totally focused on his own hand and not on whether i can call or not. He thinks 'i have the nuts so i wanna get all my money in' and then he just hopes i have a hand which will call. I guess he thinks cos i called turn i will call river.