I wimped out but do you call here?

kirstii

flameboy78	Small blind		150.00	150.00	5860.00
dodgydice	Big blind		300.00	450.00	8160.00
	Your hole cards	J Q
enskaz	Fold
melvin1958	Call		300.00	750.00	7360.00
kirstii	Call		300.00	1050.00	9018.00
flameboy78	Call		150.00	1200.00	5710.00
dodgydice	Check
Flop
		3 J Q
flameboy78	Check
dodgydice	Check
melvin1958	Check
kirstii	Bet		1200.00	2400.00	7818.00
flameboy78	Fold
dodgydice	Fold
melvin1958	Call		1200.00	3600.00	6160.00
Turn
		8
melvin1958	All-in		6160.00	9760.00	0.00
kirstii	Fold
melvin1958	Muck
melvin1958	Win		3600.00		3600.00
melvin1958	Return		6160.00	0.00

Down to final 2 tables in £100 BH players has been fairly standard and not too aggressive so far. Can you call?

DeucesLive

well, first of all- all this is cured by raising preflop. You have position and a playable hand.

You raise, and either every folds (free blinds ftw), someone shoves (unlikely with these stacks, but you know you're probably beat then) or you get a caller (pot is built). Now, when you flop top two pair with a built pot, you can put a meaningful bet in, and on the turn- the shove is easily called (or all the chips go in on flop on a draw). Sure, you could get sucked out on by flush- or he could turn over a single diamond or AQ, you could even house on the end.

Simply, once the flop is hit you need a decent pot so you can avoid these decisions.

kirstii

In Response to Re: I wimped out but do you call here?:

well, first of all- all this is cured by raising preflop. You have position and a playable hand. You raise, and either every folds (free blinds ftw), someone shoves (unlikely with these stacks, but you know you're probably beat then) or you get a caller (pot is built). Now, when you flop top two pair with a built pot, you can put a meaningful bet in, and on the turn- the shove is easily called (or all the chips go in on flop on a draw). Sure, you could get sucked out on by flush- or he could turn over a single diamond or AQ, you could even house on the end. Simply, once the flop is hit you need a decent pot so you can avoid these decisions.
Posted by DeucesLive

I agree i should probably raised pre but with this i'm also happy limping after a call, very mch situation dependant and i believed this time i should limp. But as played do you call?

DeucesLive

Oh sorry, forgot that. As played... I probably have to fold.

And after a caller, you should be raising even more. If it's not over aggressive, I can almost guarantee you the limper hasn't got a big hand. If you're super unlucky, *maybe* he's limping with aces or kings. It's unlikely. Way more likely is he has a weakish suited connector, a weak ace, low pair, anything- bet high preflop, I really think that has to be the play here.

kirstii

Can see the argument there dueces cheers for the input good points.

mr_mbro

Hi Kirstii,

I think that the flat call on the flop does put the flush draw in their range, but i feel that the all-in smacks a bit of, either, super strength ie Ace flush or a smaller flush, so i think your fold does have merit and still leaves you with a playable stack.

col

kirstii

In Response to Re: I wimped out but do you call here?:

Hi Kirstii, I think that the flat call on the flop does put the flush draw in their range, but i feel that the all-in smacks a bit of, either, super strength ie Ace flush or a smaller flush, so i think your fold does have merit and still leaves you with a playable stack. col
Posted by mr_mbro

Cheers Mr, and it was playable, i finished second! lol

percival09

With the way it's played, I would also fold. I'd put him on a small flush, worried of you having one diamond and hitting a bigger flush on the river. 

kim1986

he flushed

Batkin88

i would call i very much doubt he flushed and then shoved on the turn. (regardless of size why would he do that? how does he know hero wasnt draing to a flush)
I would put him on ace queen ace being a diamond. call it call it call it call it

CLIOKID

In Response to Re: I wimped out but do you call here?:

i would call i very much doubt he flushed and then shoved on the turn. (regardless of size why would he do that? how does he know hero wasnt draing to a flush) I would put him on ace queen ace being a diamond. call it call it call it call it
Posted by Batkin88

Of all the hands he could hold I'd say AQ is well down the pecking order (to say the least) in likely hands he is going to show up with.

I'm not sure what I'd do tbh, would depend on my view on villain.

Readless I think fold is ok.