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NL20 hand pre flop played correctly?
Like it, take down a decent pot preflop- always happy with jacks.
If you had position, flatting or raising smaller may have been an idea, but out of position, too many cards will come down on flop you don't like, and on a flop you *do* like, there's the threat of him hitting a set or 2 pair, if he's betting with low pps/connectors. Almost any flop which he bets on you're not going to like.
Get as much in pre when you're fairly sure you're ahead, then he can't bluff you on the flop- no matter if the flop comes down AKQ you've got enough committed to have to call, then when he flips over his 55 you can laugh and take it down.
As it is though, robbing 14.5 bbs without seeing a flop is never a bad thing, whatever your cards.
If you had position, flatting or raising smaller may have been an idea, but out of position, too many cards will come down on flop you don't like, and on a flop you *do* like, there's the threat of him hitting a set or 2 pair, if he's betting with low pps/connectors. Almost any flop which he bets on you're not going to like.
Get as much in pre when you're fairly sure you're ahead, then he can't bluff you on the flop- no matter if the flop comes down AKQ you've got enough committed to have to call, then when he flips over his 55 you can laugh and take it down.
As it is though, robbing 14.5 bbs without seeing a flop is never a bad thing, whatever your cards.
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What are your notes/reads on xxx?
What sort of hands will he 3 bet with?
I'm not sure I like 4 betting 45xbb with JJ when playing 150xbb deep.....You're never supposed to 4 bet then fold, so if he 5 bet shoves, you're all in drawing to 2 outs against AA KK or QQ.......
You must have some notes on the guy to confidently 4 bet jacks 150xbb deep?
Also your 4bet size is massive. If you want to re-raise I'd probably make it around £6.60ish fwiw.
Thanks for your response jj, right my reads were as said in openning post. i have never played villain before other then the 30 mins before, i dont remember specifically what he has been 3 or 4 betting with as i dont think many have gone to showdown but he was definately on the nitty side from his play TAG. Personally i was confident i was ahead even if marginally vs AK or crushing />10s but obviously not enough geniune sample size to have seen him 3 or 4 bet before
In Response to Re: NL10 hand pre flop played correctly?:
Hi Yb, thats exactly my after thought why i bet soo much think i was happy for him to just fold in the heat of the momment. i think the deeper play maybe i need to learn to conserve chips and not get in races jj vs ak i was just sure i was ahead and if i saw a ace, king or queen on flop i would have struggled to win the pot imo
Some of this stuff might not be relevant to 20nl btw, I mean if you have a premium hand and villain is a sort of player that likes calling big 4bets but calls shoves a lot less than obv just make your sizings bigger. But I think just 4betting because you don't know what to do and want to take down a pot is the wrong way of thinking.
young_gun i really do not see how you can possibly go from 'he is nitty side of TAG havent seen him show down much and have almsot no reads' to 'he definately doesnt have QQ,KK,AA so im happy getting this in'. i really dislike the 4bet given your description of villain and obv sizing isnt great as others have said
Yb at no point did i say i did not know where i was at i was pretty in control other then i bet a bit more then i should have but still think borderline whether someone would call at £7 or £9 at this level imo i havent been playing long enough to ascetain whether to take this line in the future just this one hand which again i said i was happy to call a shove or what not i was very confident i was ahead.
Ok onto my image i had been playing few hands really, had doubled up a few hands into the table with a10, hit 10 high vs k9 but was against a total donk(you can see hand in area51 if you want under donkeyplops thread !)
anyways i imagine i had pretty solid image in others eyes especially someone who had been playing a similar amount of hands. My opening raise is standard utg at this level with any hand i want to play, his re-raise basically said to me he had AK.AQsuited, or underpair basically on narrowing his range at the time i put on this range. looking back i would guess he had 77 or smaller dont rater him highly enough to fold 99 or 1010.
thats how i have come to the decision i was ahead i apologise in advance if dont make much sense but thats me
i didnt narrow him on those i said AK, AQ or any pp less then mine 1010 />
well i firstly didnt want him to call, or if he did i wanted him to commit with hands which they need to hit which are aq or ak, think he could call or shove with 99 & 10 10 here which i would be dominating with ak aq will be racing but i got the made hand. anyways im of for a bit so will check back on this when i get in laters
also you say you want to call and see a safe flop thats very nitty, what if ace comes down you let someone represent it and fold? i'd say callking is worse you can do. i can understand me betting too much here etc but flat calling is terrible, what if you get someone with 2s etc and they hit there set where they would fold to any raise at all. Finally you say you will stack off against qq+ you will do that whatever low flop hence why im happy with the 4th starting hand its unlikely more often then not the oppenent has those other 3