4nl

DOHHHHHHH

Yo!

Just did half an hour playing 3 tables this morning. Quite boring stuff, but made 250xbb playing strong stuff, keeping pots small, playing position, not taking any risks, then winning the 1 big pot when it came along.

Gone thru a few hands below, not neccesserily the biggest, just ones that might help ur thought process in most hands.

1) Raise the button - bloke has been loose, calling alot, hardly raising, trying to play a
 pot with him in position.

Flop - donk bets, which is normally weak, so raise to get some money in and charge flush draws.
He calls quick - so he either has a jack, 2nd pair, or a flush draw.

Turn - slow down just to control the pot, If he has the flush draw, he's still odds against to hit, so check behind, and see what he does on the river. It also pairs the 8, so I can't beat him if he had top pair, or 2nd pair on the flop. Pot control is fine here.

River - When he checks, I know he has a weak pair or probably a missed flush draw. It obviously brings the straight for me, but even if it didn't I would bet for value.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jimHFX	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.86
ziggy0606	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.87
	Your hole cards	J 9
dan1983	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.29
Thomas2010	Fold
rjgill	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£3.89
jimHFX	Fold
ziggy0606	Call		£0.12	£0.38	£1.75
dan1983	Call		£0.12	£0.50	£2.17
Flop
		8 7 J
ziggy0606	Check
dan1983	Bet		£0.12	£0.62	£2.05
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.68	£1.30	£3.21
ziggy0606	Fold
dan1983	Call		£0.56	£1.86	£1.49
Turn
		8
dan1983	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Check
River
		10
dan1983	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£1.00	£2.86	£2.21
dan1983	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Muck
DOHHHHHHH	Win		£1.73		£3.94
DOHHHHHHH	Return		£1.00	£0.13	£4.94

2)

Small hand, pump it up pre with AK, the flop gives us 2 overs and a gut-shot. No need to c bet here as the guy like most at 4nl loves to call, but rarely bets, so every chance of getting a free card here.

Turn brings the nut flush draw, again, if I had position, I would probably bet this if checked to me, but out of position I prefer to check, and call if he bets. Just controlling the pot, and I probably still have the best hand anyway - turned out that I did.

Only a small pot, but if you try and get too fancy, or play technically correct stuff I guess you should c bet here, but no need to get yourself in a hole out of position at this level.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rjgill	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.02
DOHHHHHHH	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.98
	Your hole cards	A K
jimHFX	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.78
dan1983	Fold
Thomas2010	Fold
rjgill	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£4.82
jimHFX	Call		£0.16	£0.42	£3.62
Flop
		2 Q J
DOHHHHHHH	Check
jimHFX	Check
Turn
		6
DOHHHHHHH	Check
jimHFX	Check
River
		8
DOHHHHHHH	Check
jimHFX	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Show	A K
jimHFX	Muck	A 3
DOHHHHHHH	Win	Ace high	£0.39		£5.21

3)

Suited connectors getting great odds to call pre flop.

Flop a 5 high flush draw on a paired board, nothing to shout about. Really weak bet makes it easy for me to call.

Turn a straight draw to go with it. It's a hidden straight draw, and again, they bet tiny, begging me to call.

River, I get there - happy days. No need to mess about value betting here, or check raising. These guys love to call, my hand is disguised, villain probably has me on a flush draw, go ahead and put him all in, get full value for my hand. Easy game, (If I miss the river, just check/fold - having lost hardly anything)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.98
HotPam	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.11
mum26	Ante		£0.02	£0.08	£1.42
	Your hole cards	2 5
nuts321	Fold
Shrink	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£1.53
mum26	Call		£0.04	£0.16	£1.38
eddie2	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.02	£0.18	£3.96
HotPam	Check
Flop
		4 4 9
DOHHHHHHH	Check
HotPam	Check
Shrink	Check
mum26	Bet		£0.08	£0.26	£1.30
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.08	£0.34	£3.88
HotPam	Fold
Shrink	Fold
Turn
		6
DOHHHHHHH	Check
mum26	Bet		£0.12	£0.46	£1.18
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.12	£0.58	£3.76
River
		3
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£1.40	£1.98	£2.36
mum26	All-in		£1.18	£3.16	£0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Unmatched bet		£0.22	£2.94	£2.58
DOHHHHHHH	Show	2 5
mum26	Show	9 10
DOHHHHHHH	Win	Straight to the 6	£2.72		£5.30

4) Just one of those annoying hands, raised strong pre, bet strong on the flop with top pair top kicker, the guy obv never folds the flop once he has called pre. Money in good, pretty standard stuff, just ul, reload.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
TOLLS	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.04
hadfield09	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.84
nikki24325	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£1.56
	Your hole cards	K A
flower11	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.62
nikki24325	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.24	£0.38	£4.57
TOLLS	Fold
hadfield09	Fold
flower11	Fold
nikki24325	Call		£0.20	£0.58	£1.36
Flop
		K 9 Q
nikki24325	Bet		£0.04	£0.62	£1.32
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.54	£1.16	£4.03
nikki24325	All-in		£1.32	£2.48	£0.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.82	£3.30	£3.21
nikki24325	Show	8 10
DOHHHHHHH	Show	K A
Turn
		J
River
		6
nikki24325	Win	Straight to the King	£3.06		£3.06

5) This player had been really tight. I wouldn't normally c bet here as the flop has missed me. I raise with more hands because the big blind has been surrendering his big blind quite easily (had notes).

Once he calls, I put him on a tight range of pairs and high cards, so Im beting on the flop, that he hasn't hit. And he just folds. Easy money (do it again next time)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
OHNOAKQ	Sit out
cox04	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.47
argie82	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.96
	Your hole cards	J 9
eddie2	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£5.12
cox04	Fold
argie82	Call		£0.12	£0.34	£1.84
Flop
		7 5 4
argie82	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£0.26	£0.60	£4.86
argie82	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Muck
DOHHHHHHH	Win		£0.32		£5.18
DOHHHHHHH	Return		£0.26	£0.02	£5.44

6) This is the 1 big hand I played.

Pre flop, with all the limpers, I have the button on a really passive table. I believe that if I raise here, regardless of the flop, all the players will check to me, as I took the lead pre. Therefore raising effectively gives me a 4 card flop (as I can just check and take a free card) I have the button so I'm in control of the pot against a load of weak players.

The hand, 78 suited is gonna flop good alot, with straight draws, flush draws, back-door draws.

Flop - not great, Ive caught abit of it, but nothing to get excited about. Continuation betting here would be so bad, as people will call with better pairs, and draws. Ive pretty much given up on the hand, but they all check to me.

Turn gives me 2 pair, but puts a 1 card straight out. Again, Im done with the hand, unless I get a good price and good implied odds to fish for my full house. - Due to them being ridiculously passive, I get another free card, and get there on the river.

River - Bingo! they've let me get there! (power/respect of a pre flop raise?) - And someone value bets into me. Im obviously never folding here, my aim is to get as much money in as possible. When the action got to me, I instantly set my bet size to all in. I then realised the guy had a 200xbb stack, so even at this level, might fold putting me on a full house. I decide to go for strong value, an not give people with a 10 in their hand the chance to get away.

I think the guy with 5-6 would have raised before the action got to me if he had a 10 - so I go to value town and he makes a shocking call.

Point of this hand is I got in to see 5 cards with 7-8 suited, for 24p (6xbb) and I can get away from the hand at any point, quite easily. Its a simple hand to play, as long as you don't get carried away with 2 pairs on a scary board.
Get the nuts, then bet it!!

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemum26 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £3.13 OHNOAKQ Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.76   Your hole cards 8 7       cox04 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £1.39 argie82 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £2.05 eddie2 Call  £0.04 £0.18 £10.34 DOHHHHHHH Raise  £0.24 £0.42 £5.12 mum26 Fold     OHNOAKQ Fold     cox04 Call  £0.20 £0.62 £1.19 argie82 Call  £0.20 £0.82 £1.85 eddie2 Call  £0.20 £1.02 £10.14 Flop    9 J 7       cox04 Check     argie82 Check     eddie2 Check     DOHHHHHHH Check     Turn    8       cox04 Check     argie82 Check     eddie2 Check     DOHHHHHHH Check     River    8       cox04 Bet  £0.48 £1.50 £0.71 argie82 Call  £0.48 £1.98 £1.37 eddie2 Call  £0.48 £2.46 £9.66 DOHHHHHHH Raise  £2.72 £5.18 £2.40 cox04 All-in  £0.71 £5.89 £0.00 argie82 Fold     eddie2 Call  £2.24 £8.13 £7.42 DOHHHHHHH Show 8 7    cox04 Muck Q 10    eddie2 Muck 5 6    DOHHHHHHH Win Full House, 8s and 7s £7.53  £9.93

walesboy

nice one m8
a quick question though, on a discussion i'd done in the clinic i had AJ off about 2nd to act and raised to 12p pre flop. you advised raising to 80p. In the above hands the largest you've done with an ace is 24p. Is this you just tailoring the rises to the table as larger raises previously got no takers? not a criticism (who am i to do so at my level!) just trying to understand.

DOHHHHHHH

Hey, I've just re-read the post and maybe some of my thoughts wud be hard to understand. - Trying to help a sky poker player beat 4nl, so thought I'd try abit and post some hands to talk to him about.

In your hand in the clinic (if it's the one I commented on last night?) my quote was about your raise size on the flop, rather than pre flop.

Your pre flop play was fine, but when he bet 20p on the flop, you raised it to 40. I would be going for as much value as I can get there, get the money in......

walesboy

In Response to Re: 4nl:

Hey, I've just re-read the post and maybe some of my thoughts wud be hard to understand. - Trying to help a sky poker player beat 4nl, so thought I'd try abit and post some hands to talk to him about. In your hand in the clinic (if it's the one I commented on last night?) my quote was about your raise size on the flop, rather than pre flop. Your pre flop play was fine, but when he bet 20p on the flop, you raised it to 40. I would be going for as much value as I can get there, get the money in......
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

also re read it. my bad, thanks

yb

A lot of this is good advice, why is it in area 51?

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: 4nl:

A lot of this is good advice, why is it in area 51?
Posted by yb

Cider has strange effects ;o)

MP33

Was playing this earlier and was suprised to see oynutter and mickjenn playing at these levels.

I know he,s rolled for it but for some reason mickjenn was going all in on most hands pre-flop - 9,10 off , Q 7 off etc.

I know you don,t  normally play at these levels either dohhhh, so was just wondering why all off a sudden  these top players (in my humble opinion)  are trying at NL4?  

KAM99

In Response to Re: 4nl:

Was playing this earlier and was suprised to see oynutter and mickjenn playing at these levels. I know he,s rolled for it but for some reason mickjenn was going all in on most hands pre-flop - 9,10 off , Q 7 off etc. I know you don,t  normally play at these levels either dohhhh, so was just wondering why all off a sudden  these top players (in my humble opinion)  are trying at NL4?  
Posted by MP33

Can't speak for them, but I've seen it happen a few times at a few sites, and normally its just a high limit player having a laugh. I personally don't like it, as the players playing those limits are more often than not trying to increase their bankrolls playing the low limits, so while a high stake player cares nothing dumping a few buyins at those levels just shoving all in over and over it can sck for the players at those levels if they get a number of badbeats when calling with the better hands, which can of course happen.

Still, this may not be what was going on, but I've certainly seen very high stake players doing this at low limits before on other sites. Often drink related, or so bored and noones online playing at their normal levels, which is possible here at times I would think with the small player base.

DOHHHHHHH

If good players wanna play 4nl, it offers new challenges to the regs there, in terms of adapting to table, or even their table selection.

Personally, I was discussing nl4 strategy with a few people, so wanted to play abit to remind myself, and be able to offer better advice, as it's been a while since I played there regularly. 

yb

Kam the best way to boost your bankroll is to play against these sort of players no?

unknown_username

quick question, should you always bet the same amount pre?? would you bet different in different positions?