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I'm leaving

edited October 2010 in Poker Chat



Well, it is Autumn.

Seriously, what's with all the hissy fits and toys-out-pram syndrome this week? I've been away from the forums for a bit but has something happened that I've missed?

Is it that Sky Poker team thing? Considering myself a considerably better player than Dan, lolufold, ljamesl and gliterbabe and in possession of more sex appeal than LML I'm a tad peeved at being overlooked myself but the injustice will just make me try harder.

Or have bad people being calling other people names?! Jeez, sticks and stones and all that. Not everybody's going to like you whatever you do. The most cheek I ever get is from my best friends and I wouldn't have it any other way. The truth is out there.

Or is it bad beats? I've just had the most expensive poker week of my life (by far). Half bad luck, half my own stupidity. C'est la vie. Someone famous once said, "Poker is like life, most people don't learn from their mistakes, they only recognize them." I forget who, but touche. Some people, alas, can't even recognize them.

In saying that, if I don't win the free Primo entry for that avatar competition I'm off too! ;-)

Comments

  • edited October 2010
    +1 mate!

    The voice of reason!

  • edited October 2010
    spot on, and you have to get past me in leaving if i don`t win free primo entry for the same comp, mind you ell captain ( mr miyagi ) will probably throw me out or give me a free transfer off purples gl in primo any hows, here a thought wonder how many with these balls thingy will end up on same table lol
  • edited October 2010
    DOHHHHHHHHHH it was obviously a bad night at the tables...... the lappy had been put away by half two in the morning.
    How come no one is leaving over putting out passwords for freerolls on the Devils plaything called Facebook
  • edited October 2010
    on a jet plane
  • edited October 2010
    that is the tree from the ring...spooky
  • edited October 2010
    Has dohhhhhhhhhhhhh had a mad rant and his post deleted???
  • edited October 2010
    I have always defended sky but the forum this week tells a story a lot of us have been beaten with a shitty stick and lost a lot of money, I am playing the best poker i have ever played but sky keeps on dealling beat after beat at me so i aint putting any more cash into sky, on FT and PS i am playing a very similar game and winning money, all i ask for is a fair run and a lot of us are not getting it
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    Has dohhhhhhhhhhhhh had a mad rant and his post deleted???
    Posted by donkeyplop

    That's what I'm wondering.

    It better not have been abuse towards me Dohlicious!

    Or I'm leaving :-)
  • edited October 2010
    Perhaps Sky don't go along with the view
     
    "That the customer is always right even when they are wrong"

    LOL
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    I have always defended sky but the forum this week tells a story a lot of us have been beaten with a shitty stick and lost a lot of money, I am playing the best poker i have ever played but sky keeps on dealling beat after beat at me so i aint putting any more cash into sky, on FT and PS i am playing a very similar game and winning money, all i ask for is a fair run and a lot of us are not getting it
    Posted by KKarlos93
    Get a grip your playing and losing yourself, There aint a little man throwing bad beats at you.

    When you win its your skill when you lose its a little Sky Mod picking on ya hee hee
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : Get a grip your playing and losing yourself, There aint a little man throwing bad beats at you. When you win its your skill when you lose its a little Sky Mod picking on ya hee hee
    Posted by torryboy
    Trust me i can post hand examples if you like sky has been taking to micky the last couple of weeks, i am a good player i make money elsewhere, and if you think you can out play me then i am happy to play you heads up on full tilt or poker stars say $100 each $0.50 $1 blinds???  send me a PM if your interested???
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : Trust me i can post hand examples if you like sky has been taking to micky the last couple of weeks, i am a good player i make money elsewhere, and if you think you can out play me then i am happy to play you heads up on full tilt or poker stars say $100 each $0.50 $1 blinds???  send me a PM if your interested???
    Posted by KKarlos93
    How can it be Sky,s fault?, they dont tell the RNG to deal you cards, it wouldnt be in there interest to do it, you have had only 2 weeks of variance, wait til you get to 7 weeks like I did :)
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : Trust me i can post hand examples if you like sky has been taking to micky the last couple of weeks, i am a good player i make money elsewhere, and if you think you can out play me then i am happy to play you heads up on full tilt or poker stars say $100 each $0.50 $1 blinds???  send me a PM if your interested???
    Posted by KKarlos93
    Ok, but first I will make sure the invisible bad beat man is working for me lol
  • edited October 2010
    Hey

    I have had to delete a post in this thread as it broke the Forum rules.

    Thank you for your understanding

    Sky Mod
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    Hey I have had to delete a post in this thread as it broke the Forum rules. Thank you for your understanding Sky Mod
    Posted by Sky_Mod4
    okay I see its the post where I put a link to a site which completely discredits your RNG that you are deleting well my last post in area 51 still stands prove to your players how random your RNG actually is please???  And I do not mean a certificate that says it is considered to be random
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    Take variance out of the equation by just watching a couple of tables on Sky and a couple on ane of the bigger sites for few days. You will soon see the number of flush draws,straight draws etc are way more common on Sky.
    Posted by steveskin1
    lol
  • edited October 2010
    KKarlos93 ... All i ever see you do on this forum is complain about bad beats, about Sky Poker robbing your money etc etc etc etc ... if it's bothering you that much, why don't you just not play on the site? Instead of posting complete and utter c r a p on the forum nearly everyday. You're Boring!
  • edited October 2010
    Karlos its kind of pointless blaming the RNG for losing money. I have played on Fulltilt for about 2 years (about 360,000 hands) and if you can win money there you can win money here as well. Or you should be able to if you are as reasonably skilled as you seem to be claiming.

    I only really decided to play on sky as my PC blew up and being lazy about building a new one I picked it as a good time to take a couple of months off of serious playing of poker, but I missed it a bit so I signed up and played via the set top box and sky remote. I ony stuck on a £100 just so I could check out how the tables played. Even though I normally play 100nl or 200nl depending on the amount of tables I decided it would be fun to play to normal bankroll rules and see how it went. I quickly made the 100 into 200 and then took a nasty run of 12 buyin drop all or which I was 80% or better when the money went in (including 2 one outer outdraws). Still, that sucked but it was just a bad run, and so I just carried on and currently I'm at £330, which is pretty reasonable as I've only played about 2 hours here and there on odd days, stuck to playing 10nl and been limited to only playing one table at a time due to playing on the set top box (boy did that feel slow compared to multi-tabling. lol).

    That said, I will agree with you a little. The RNG on Sky does seem a little off. It's not rigged of course, as Sky just aren't that dumb. But my gut is telling me based on the last month and a half that it might be dealing a little to many suited flops, and paired boards compared to what you might statistically expect. However without being able to use PT 3 or Holdem manager to really see if what I think I'm seeing is fact or just usual eyes playing tricks on me, which can happen over small sample sizes of cards, To get a true reading you'd need 50,000-100,000 as a sample size to take into account all the possible variances. Lets face it, Fulltilt has its own very big, long thread on the forums where the rigged crowd rant and rave that FT is not legit either. Always the case though that their evidence is a few bad beats over a small time period and sample size of cards, which is just never going to prove anything.

    Still, I'm not claiming it is wrong, as over small samples things can appear to be wrong when they aren't at all. Maybe when Sky gets downloadable software we will be able to get the answers, though I think I heard on one of the programs they might not allow things like PT3 or holdem manager anyway.Tgis may not be right, so excuse me if its posted somewhere on the forum, as not had chance to look over it all yet due to the above mention of my PC, :)

    Last thing I will say is if you think a site is rigged or an RNG is so bad you don't want to play there, then don't. If you don't think any site is any good then go and play live. If after you find you get sick beats there as well, then give up poker and take up a different game. :)
  • edited October 2010
    just like to say kam, a very good post put in a very constructive way. my thoughts exactly but put in a slightly better way than if i had down it!!
  • edited October 2010

    I've commented on these threads often and I do have my doubts, here's 4 hands from last night

    QQ x 3, all flopped sets

    won one v AK brd AQxAx


    lost two

    xxQAx v AA - To add insult to injury he slow rolled my turn shove.

    AxQTx v KJ

    And I thought it was hard to make a big hand? Bigger than QQQ!!

    I did win JJ v KK when I hit 4 spades on the r, boy did I get some abuse for that, all money in pf.

    Flopped quads twice and made quads one other time, these used to be rare.

    5 hours playing 3 tables.

    It does appear that huge hands clash too often, if your on the right side of it its great but get on the wrong side and its a nightmare trying to overcome the stacks your losing. Who's not getting it in with QQQ on a xxQA brd when the villain bets into you again on the turn?

    Maybe I'm just unlucky, I cant hit a draw anywhere near expectation but villains keep hitting 2/4 outers for huge pots. The RNG is certified, but I see this all too often.

  • edited October 2010

    What about people like me who put 90% of their stack in with no pair, no draw, and 9 high, and have to fold to the re-raise? Its very embarrassing. I daren't even have chat on anymore.

    And also, is one way that you really can take variance out of the equation ;)
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    KKarlos93 ... All i ever see you do on this forum is complain about bad beats, about Sky Poker robbing your money etc etc etc etc ... if it's bothering you that much, why don't you just not play on the site? Instead of posting complete and utter c r a p on the forum nearly everyday. You're Boring!
    Posted by percival09
    I agree that the last week i have been complaining, not about bad beats though, if sky give me a reasonable response then i will shut up but they cannot, it is my opinion that the RNG that sky use is not of a suitable standard, i have been doing some reaserch on the subject, i would post some of the links but sky will just delete it, if you were dealt what i have the last couple of weeks you might be a bit anoyed as well, oh and i am playing elsewhere and if you think i am c r a p and borring then dont read my posts simples
  • edited October 2010
    I didn't say your c r a p, I said your posting c r a p, which you are. You seem to be very obsessed with criticising the site and then bigging up your own poker skills every now and then, I doubt you can blame the RNG for losing soooo much money if your a v.good player like your saying. Their are many good players on this site who make a profit constantly, so are you now going to tell me the RNG is picking on you individually? NICE ONE!!

    And DOHHHH, that's just v.funny!!!!
  • edited October 2010

    do they do season tickets for travel out of area 51?


  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    I didn't say your c r a p, I said your posting c r a p, which you are. You seem to be very obsessed with criticising the site and then bigging up your own poker skills every now and then, I doubt you can blame the RNG for losing soooo much money if your a v.good player like your saying. Their are many good players on this site who make a profit constantly, so are you now going to tell me the RNG is picking on you individually? NICE ONE!! And DOHHHH, that's just v.funny!!!!
    Posted by percival09
    everyone can have an opinion though cant they?  I do think i am a good player not just online, i win tourneys in my local casinos as well, i have a thread in area 51 on this subject as well so no more coments in the general poker section are coming from me on this subject, i would say though i dont think it is just me i think if you were to ask every player who has ever had an account on sky if they thought it was bent or not i bet a good percentage would say it is unfair, RNG's are vunerable look at the ultimate bet scandel and titan poker being told by i poker that too high a percentage of titan players were wining, the algorthyms can be manipulated and it is my opinion that they are being
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : everyone can have an opinion though cant they?  I do think i am a good player not just online, i win tourneys in my local casinos as well, i have a thread in area 51 on this subject as well so no more coments in the general poker section are coming from me on this subject, i would say though i dont think it is just me i think if you were to ask every player who has ever had an account on sky if they thought it was bent or not i bet a good percentage would say it is unfair, RNG's are vunerable look at the ultimate bet scandel and titan poker being told by i poker that too high a percentage of titan players were wining, the algorthyms can be manipulated and it is my opinion that they are being
    Posted by KKarlos93
    I think you make a fair point.
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : everyone can have an opinion though cant they?  I do think i am a good player not just online, i win tourneys in my local casinos as well, i have a thread in area 51 on this subject as well so no more coments in the general poker section are coming from me on this subject, i would say though i dont think it is just me i think if you were to ask every player who has ever had an account on sky if they thought it was bent or not i bet a good percentage would say it is unfair, RNG's are vunerable look at the ultimate bet scandel and titan poker being told by i poker that too high a percentage of titan players were wining, the algorthyms can be manipulated and it is my opinion that they are being
    Posted by KKarlos93
    sky muti billion  dollar/pound brand around the world ,
    are doing this............

    " the algorthyms can be manipulated and it is my opinion that they are being"

    for a few grand  rake

    no way   in my opinon !

  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : sky muti billion  dollar/pound brand around the world , are doing this............ " the algorthyms can be manipulated and it is my opinion that they are being" for a few grand  rake no way   in my opinon !
    Posted by IRISHROVER
    I wonder if the info is out there anywhere, how much sky poker turned over in the last 12 months?
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : I wonder if the info is out there anywhere, how much sky poker turned over in the last 12 months?
    Posted by KKarlos93
    I PERSONALLY THINK ANY PROFIT THEY ARE MAKING
     ( WHICH IS IN THOUSANDS NOT MILLIONS )
    WOULD BE WISELY REINVESTED BACK IN TOO THE POKER SITE & SKY T.V CHANNEL &
    MAYBE A LITTLE GETS SKIMPED OFF,
    JUST  LIKE IN ALL GOOD BUSINESS MODELS .

    HERE IS A TRIPLE BARREL  QUESTION FOR YOU ,
    AT A GUESS HOW MUCH PROFIT DO YOU THINK THIS SITE MAKES &
    WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE SKY BRAND PROFITS IS THAT  &
    IF YOUR NAME WAS RUPERT MURDOCH WOULD YOU ALLOW THIS  ?

    KEY FIGURES HIGHLIGHTED BELOW .........
    Type Public (LSE: BSY, Pink Sheets: BSYBY)
    Industry Satellite broadcasting
    Predecessor Sky Television
    British Satellite Broadcasting
    Founded November 1990
    Headquarters Osterley, London, U.K.
    Area served United Kingdom and Ireland
    Key people James Murdoch (Chairman and NED)
    Jeremy Darroch (CEO)
    Andrew Griffith (CFO)
    Revenue £5.9 billion (2010; 10% increase)
    Net income £11.7 million (2010)
    Owner(s) News Corporation (39%)
    Employees 16,500 (2010)[1]
    Website Sky.com
    References: News Corporation is in the process of buying Sky for £7.8 billion.[2]



    P.S I DONT THINK EVEN RUPERT BEAR WOULD !
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving:
    In Response to Re: I'm leaving : I PERSONALLY THINK ANY PROFIT THEY ARE MAKING  ( WHICH IS IN THOUSANDS NOT MILLIONS ) WOULD BE WISELY REINVESTED BACK IN TOO THE POKER SITE & SKY T.V CHANNEL & MAYBE A LITTLE GETS SKIMPED OFF, JUST  LIKE IN ALL GOOD BUSINESS MODELS . HERE IS A TRIPLE BARREL  QUESTION FOR YOU , AT A GUESS HOW MUCH PROFIT DO YOU THINK THIS SITE MAKES & WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE SKY BRAND PROFITS IS THAT  & IF YOUR NAME WAS RUPERT MURDOCH WOULD YOU ALLOW THIS  ? KEY FIGURES HIGHLIGHTED BELOW ......... Type Public ( LSE : BSY , Pink Sheets : BSYBY ) Industry Satellite broadcasting Predecessor Sky Television British Satellite Broadcasting Founded November 1990 Headquarters Osterley , London , U.K. Area served United Kingdom and Ireland Key people James Murdoch ( Chairman and NED ) Jeremy Darroch ( CEO ) Andrew Griffith ( CFO ) Revenue ▲ £ 5.9 billion (2010; 10% increase) Net income ▲ £ 11.7 million (2010) Owner(s) News Corporation (39%) Employees 16,500 (2010) [ 1 ] Website Sky.com References: News Corporation is in the process of buying Sky for £7.8 billion. [ 2 ] P.S I DONT THINK EVEN RUPERT BEAR WOULD !
    Posted by IRISHROVER
    Hi Irishrover yep i had a look on wiki as well no where can i find a breakdown of what sky poker turned over i saw some % relating to sky bet as a whole but not sky poker
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