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Only a thought but is is me or is the Saturday night cash game becoming dull. Same faces at the high levels, sure its great to see the moves and how the top players play hands but is this really of interest to the small stakes players, how much are they getting out of it?
I used to be frustrated by the small stakes shown on the show but my guess is the small stakes players are now frustrated by the high stakes players.
So here goes....... Why not have a cash 60 game where the blinds are 15/30 and the min/max buy in is £60, do the same for 25/50, a cash 100 or cash 150. But here's the point, exclude or specify that these games are for 15/30 and 25/50 players and that those playing higher are excluded.
Replacing the big game (which ljamesl quite rightly describes as a game with no edge for the best players) with these games and inviting the SPT players on the show to comment on hands would I am sure be invaluable to small stakes players.
Or open 3 tables, cash 300, cash 150 and cash 60 and show all 3 throughout the night.
Any thoughts?
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Personally I don't care about being on TV, but it would be nice to see some different faces, and let the guys at those stakes have their time in the spotlight.
I am not interested in watching the same players week in week out at high stake nose-bleed levels. The uniqueness of the show originally was that any buy-in, however micro could be shown, and anyone could get their game on TV. I started playing on Sky because of the "TV tarting" potential and I would imagine 80% of its members did the same. I don't mind admitting this, because I'm sure I'm not alone.
We are just witnessing another facet of the slow morphing of Sky Poker into any other run of the mill poker site.
I don't blame them. It probably wouldn't have been sustainable remaining as it was, but it's a shame imo.
I think the trouble is that whatever levels they show on the cash tables you are going to get the same players multitabling and unless Sky bans players from sitting at more than one cash table at a time, which lets be honest isn't going to happen, this will always be the case.
+3
All noted guys, & I'll send the thread upstairs.
We want to keep trying to improve, change, evolve, & keep things fresh. Not every dart hits the Double-20 though.
Good thread.
i am in no way having a dig at the presenters, i think they do a good job, but the play is levels above them.. moves are misinterpreted because they do not play these games and cant comprehend each players intentions, the result is that the presenter just reverts to a default phrase about BR management at the end of every hand
i think the idea of having a member of TSP on to analyse along with the excellent demeanor and media skills that all the skypoker presenters currently offer is the way forward to interesting watching.
+everyone lol great idea :-]
My thoughts are that by double stacking the 15/30p and the 25/50p tables to create a cash 60 and cash 100 games these will stand out as different, with the players playing deeper the spots/decisions will also be more interesting. Having a member of the SPT in the studio would allow these to be disscussed by players used to these decisions.
I would hope a £60 min/max buy in is within the bankroll limit of a good number of 15/30 players, the same goes for 25/50 at a min/max buy in of £100. I hope Sky give it a try and create a game where lower stake players can feature on Saturday nights and those watching can get invaluable advise from SPT members who have moved through these levels.
Regards excluding higher stakes players, i'm sure a simple request is enough, yes I agree lolufold won't be sitting at the tables, I hope he's in the studio helping us all improve our game.
What happened to the sports star on Thursdays and the grind on the Saturday.
Like Stien has said it would be good to have the team sky players in the studio on some nights.
Studio Guests.
Interestingly, it's been some time since we had Studio Guests, many many months, & we've been carefully monitoring feedback to see if anyone complained or noticed. Nobody has, until now, which says something. The Sports" Stars" & Celebs cost a few bob, too, which adds up over time.
Everything is still being organised as to TSP, but I think it's pretty certain that at some stage, having some of them in the Studio from time to time will bring a new & fresh dimension, as several Posts have suggested, & it'll almost certainly happen.
But it wont be, I don't imagine, before the Studio Move, which is scheduled for late November or early December. The existing studio set up (where we are now) has been changed, & to bring in Guests right now is a bit difficult technically, requiring some lighting & camera modifications. There is no point spending cash on a Studio we are soon to vacate, so best wait for the Studio move, & as that is close to Xmas, we'll probably get the other side of December before it happens.
I'll ask Atilla to comment, tomorrow, if I remember. She's a bit grumpy today, so I'm scared to ask, to be honest.
Great to see feedback is being listened to though and improvements are coming.
because on occasions the 'celebrity' guests came accross completely unarticulate it must have been awful trying to coax info out of them on live tv
For now, I'll just deal with this one.
Appearance Fees for Guests - depends upon the Guest, but certainly they all get exs, travel & hotel, & in some cases, a fee.
The business model for that is not as simple as you may think, & a Celeb or Sporting Guest ticks several boxes. If the Guest is "right", it brings added entertainment value to the Show, & Viewers.
If we have, say, an Athlete on, the Sky Poker Relations Manager - a very fine young man - will go onto all the big Athletics Forums & spam their appearance, ditto with a boxer, et al. When Ron "Chopper Harris" appears, as he did several times, he goes onto the various Chelsea FC fora & puffs the Show, & with Frank Worthington, onto the Leicester City & Huddersfield Town fora. What this achieves is to attract fresh viewers to the Show, who are all potential new Clients. If we get, say, 500 extra Chelsea fans watching the Show, & "convert" 5% of them, who subsequently sign up & Deposit, it makes the business case. When Mr McCririck was on, he puffed all the Racing fora, & that brings several thousand new pairs of eyes, so despite his abrasiveness, indeed rudeness, he was, in many ways, a very good Guest.
You are right, of course, in alluding to their ability to come across well in front of TV Cameras, not everyone can, & footballers on the wholeare not exactly known for stratospheric IQ's, or correct use of the English language. One or two of them were, shall we say, "hard work". So yes, it's fair to say that some of them, as you say, "came accross completely unarticulate".
(how do i know which post you are replying to? ? or do i just traul the forum?)
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