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Couple hands misplayed maybe?

edited October 2010 in The Poker Clinic
I have a couple of hands that I think I have played a bit poorly.  In the first hand, should I have just checked the river thinking that with a double-paired board on the river, I am now ahead of any 4's that called me on the flop, except A4, which may not fold if I bet the river.  The only hand I can bet off might be K-high, which I'm splitting with anyway.

On Hand 2, should I jam the river to get value out of all the hands I am beating?

Thanks in advance for the slating I am surely about to receive.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
X
Small blind   25.00 25.00 2915.00
Wilhelm Big blind   50.00 75.00 2500.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • K
     
  Fold        
  Fold        
  Fold        

Fold        
X Call   25.00 100.00 2890.00
Wilhelm Raise   100.00 200.00 2400.00
X Call   100.00 300.00 2790.00
Flop
   
  • 4
  • Q
  • Q
     
X Check        
Wilhelm Bet   200.00 500.00 2200.00
X Call   200.00 700.00 2590.00
Turn
   
  • 10
     
X Check        
Wilhelm Check        
River
   
  • 10
     
X Check        
Wilhelm Bet   450.00 1150.00 1750.00
X Fold        
Wilhelm Muck        
Wilhelm Win   700.00   2450.00
Wilhelm Return   450.00 0.00 2900.00
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Wilhelm Small blind   25.00 25.00 2925.00
  Big blind   50.00 75.00 3395.00
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • 4
     
X
Call   50.00 125.00 3250.00
  Fold        
  Call   50.00 175.00 2705.00

Fold        
Wilhelm Call   25.00 200.00 2900.00
  Check        
Flop
   
  • 2
  • 5
  • A
     
Wilhelm Bet   200.00 400.00 2700.00
  Call   200.00 600.00 3195.00
X
Call   200.00 800.00 3050.00
  Fold        
Turn
   
  • A
     
Wilhelm Bet   800.00 1600.00 1900.00
  Fold        
X Call   800.00 2400.00 2250.00
River
   
  • Q
     
Wilhelm Check        
X Bet   50.00 2450.00 2200.00
Wilhelm Call   50.00 2500.00 1850.00
X Show
  • K
  • K
     
Wilhelm Show
  • 3
  • 4
     
Wilhelm Win Straight to the 5 2500.00   4350.00

Comments

  • edited October 2010
    Hand 1 - just check the river, you'll only get called by a hand that your behind to or that you will split with!

    Hand 2 - I think you played this fine, good strong betting on both the flop and turn. And WD only to call the 50 on the river imo, he could have just hit a flush or even AQ full house ... or anything. 
  • edited October 2010
    i would bet the turn in hand1 we have otns of fold equity and pot equity makes it an easy bet imo.

    hand2 i think postflop is fine but id fold pre
  • edited October 2010
    Both are hardly going to be bad :)
  • edited October 2010
    In Response to Re: Couple hands misplayed maybe?:
    Both are hardly going to be bad :)
    Posted by beaneh
    What do you mean?
  • edited October 2010
    because you are playing aggressively and sensibly, and when you have a massive hand you bet out and stuff. 

    it's not like you raised the 34o and flopped a pair or something.

    The KJ hand is fine raising pre if you think you can take it down alot/build a pot to win later on with a hand you make. Betting QQx is fine

    you don't necssarily have to bet the river in the 1st hand because alot of the small pocket pair hands that have peeled you on the flop have been counterfeited so K high is good, you may fold out Ace high and if so it's a good bet but not that many people will fold an ace here so tbh checking river in hand 1 might be best. otherwise I like the rest.
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