shove gets paid, but was it the right move

The_Don90

Ok this is in the Orfordable. The table has been reasonably good and i decide to set mine with my small PP. I hit with the big A also hitting, but its a drawy board, i recon the opponent has AK-AJ region and is unlikley to fold it.

Rate the play please, playing so little confidence maybe the shove was a little over the top.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		20.00	20.00	7547.50
chew07	Big blind		40.00	60.00	4755.00
	Your hole cards	4 4
	Raise		160.00	220.00	13877.50
ATOMANT55	Fold
weemallet	Fold
lordbobby	Fold
kaymac	Fold
bigred147	Fold
leroy73607	Fold
The_Don90	Call		140.00	360.00	7407.50
chew07	Fold
Flop
		A 4 5
The_Don90	Check
	Bet		360.00	720.00	13517.50
The_Don90	Raise		720.00	1440.00	6687.50
	Raise		720.00	2160.00	12797.50
The_Don90	All-in		6687.50	8847.50	0.00
	Call		6327.50	15175.00	6470.00
The_Don90	Show	4 4
	Show	Q A
Turn
		9
River
		3
The_Don90	Win	Three 4s	15175.00		15175.00

DOHHHHHHH

Well played, this is exactly how u shud have played the big draw in the other hand u posted.

Once he min 3 bets the flop he's never folding, and neither are you, so get it in.

wp.

Dudeskin8

Played fine and got a very loose call well done.

freechips1

i hate the min raise thing, i have spent many hours thinking about the min raise thingy and i cant come up with anything good about it.
Min raise on the flop gives villan great odds with a draw, dont do it.
On flop i make it 920.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move:

i hate the min raise thing, i have spent many hours thinking about the min raise thingy and i cant come up with anything good about it. Min raise on the flop gives villan great odds with a draw, dont do it. On flop i make it 920.
Posted by freechips1

a good player reads it as strenth

freechips1

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In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move : a good player reads it as strenth
Posted by The_Don90

i dont understand this post.
You want to rep strenth on that board in a raised pot? why? to fold out AQ and AK? why would you want to do that?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move:

In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move : i dont understand this post. You want to rep strenth on that board in a raised pot? why? to fold out AQ and AK? why would you want to do that?
Posted by freechips1

if he has say AK/AQ of diamonds, is this the incorrect play.

23/55/AA is already beating me, and as stated in the above post i dont think the opponent folds an A so i raise for value if he does.

freechips1

so you raise for value, ok. 920>720 = more value and you charge him more to draw.

yb

In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move:

In Response to Re: shove gets paid, but was it the right move : a good player reads it as strenth
Posted by The_Don90

even if this is true (which it isn't, necessarily) then it should be an ever bigger to reason to raise more on the flop.

as said raise bigger on flop, shove is fine.

LOL_RAISE

to a good player it reads that you are a bad player.

seriously minraising this flop is really bad you have a set 200bb deep in a tournament with villain likely holding TPGK+ any 2/3 or diamond can possibly slow the action down resulting in you not stacking villain, you have to make it big on the flop in order to get stacks in by river. id make it 1.1k on flop  then there is 2.5k in the middle and we have ~6.2k remaining. i would bet ~1750 on the turn setting up 4.5k river shove into a ~6k pot

The_Don90

ah very good point LOL_RAISE never took getting it in like that as an option i wanted it in on the flop, so guessing that my opponent re-raises as done it works, but otherwise it doesnt