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What would you have done with AK in this situation?
We were 4 handed on the final table of the £400 deepstack last night. All 4 of us were playing decent solid poker without any 'lary' moves. Gadgerno1 had a 3x chip lead over the other 3 of us who all had a similar stack.
Would you have called or folded and why?
All feedback greatly appreciated here!
| spitfire10 | Small blind | 800.00 | 800.00 | 12707.50 | |
| Huck_Nall | Big blind | 1600.00 | 2400.00 | 19005.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| phil12uk | Raise | 4800.00 | 7200.00 | 19595.00 | |
| gadgerno1 | All-in | 46492.50 | 53692.50 | 0.00 | |
| spitfire10 | Fold | ||||
| Huck_Nall | Fold | ||||
| phil12uk | Fold | ||||
| gadgerno1 | Muck | ||||
| gadgerno1 | Win | 53692.50 | 53692.50 |
All feedback greatly appreciated here!
Comments
You are only in trouble vs AA/KK and his range is far wider than that.
I honestly can't see how you can fold here; AK has such huge equity and its not like you are micro rolled so playing to ladder isn't an issue.
There are very, very few situations where it is right to fold AK in a tournie and this ain't one of them.
An aside, say one of the guys with a similar stack to you pushed, would you call or fold?
I remember this hand Phil.
Personally I would have bet All In rather than the raise.
However, as played, you just about have some fold equity and have to decide whether you want a race against QQ or JJ or has he really got the KK or AA, which is doubtful.
Me, I'm calling
Here's another scenario. Imagine you are BB and Gadgerno1 pushes All in UTG for all your chips - do you call with this hand?..... YES!...in a shot! In which case I don't think it makes a different how the betting goes.
Then again I folded KK PF in a live cash game recently so I might be tilting.
COYS,
Andy.
P.S You also have under 8 orbits on this game left so you don't have much choice.
I don't know how the table had been playing, but if the big stack is a thinking player the a 3x raise (which is standard) could look like t a blind steal and therefore make his 3betAI even wider.
I like a AI with AJ/AT/small pair here as it really shuts down the hand and then you have no more decisions.
My thoughts were I was racing and he said after that he had 88. But did I want to race when I felt confident (unfounded this time) that I had the skill to win!!! Perhaps as Roy (Hucknall) had said, an open shove would have got rid of this dilemma anyway. I generally always want my money in first and would prefer the opponent to call for the race rather than vice versa (if that makes sense!!)
Cheers for feedback so far........... that's why I love this game - you are always learning!!
But in this case, it's instacall. Only time i'd ever fold would be on FT as a felted stack with like 3 all ins ahead of me just because every bustout is worth so much ££
wanted to give you the headache, hope its warn off now buddy
see you at the tables soon.
HELLO MATE... BIT OF A QUANDRY... BUT I PERSONALLY THINK U MADE A REASONABLE PLAY... U LED OUT WIV AN ADEQUATE RAISE PRE.. GOT RERAISED ALL IN... AND KNOWING THE PLAYER THAT U R DID U WANT TO RISK UR 3 HOUR GRIND JUST ON ACE HIGH... ??? I KNOW I WOULDNT.... GOOD FOLD;-)
Thanks for feedback so far - great to get lots of different opinions
People keep saying it is only ace high which it is but AK is massive, especially in this situation, i don't see how you can fold this. If you thought you were racing you have to call because you are shortstacked and with the money already in the pot it is definitely +EV to call.
Have to say I agree here, it's an insta call/shove for me. If I was willing to fold it, probably would not have rasied so much at the start, may have even flat called if I was willing to fold it and see what the flop brings, a good flop means I can take potentially a lot of money, bad flop and Ic an fold no problem.
But if I raise that much I am calling an all in - given how late it was in the tourney, I'm ok with racing here.
In addition to this, "Exactly what offshoot said."
You probably have the best hand but the ladder principle comes in here. On the final table with 4 left, you just don't take on the big stack. Even if he holds 23 you are only a 61% chance; if he has a pocket pair (likely) then you're an underdog.
Overall, this is not a nice position to be in so don't get into it. A question to ask yourself - if another opponent was in this predicament and faced this decision, would you be happy? I think you would.
Clear fold in my book.
Though in the heat of battle I'd probably call!
assuming you are in the tournament to win it, for me you made th right play.
people too often over-value AK and forget that YOU STILL NEED TO HIT! the last thing you want here is to have all your chips at stake, lose, and your back making another brew. you gave yourself tat extra chance to make it to the end by not risking your chips in a situation that could be bettered, or if not bettered, you could find a situation that was more under your control to make a move.
Oli