checking the nuts on the river.

The_Don90

ok last night i was working as usuall as TD at a local venue. Anyways, a player checked Quad 4's on the river on a  4,10,8,6,4 board (four spades), his opponent had bet on every steet (OOP) and checked behind.

I said that it was against the rules, and fired a 4BB punnishment, my usuall punnishment as most players are beginners and i dislike giving them sitouts for that reason unless its a consistantly repeated offence.

A number of players this was too strong a responce.

Opinions please.

Rubes375

I think in most tourneys there is a rule you have to bet the nuts - seems reasonable to me

yb

When you say his opponent checked behind do you mean the guy with quads was oop? If so then he did nothing wrong.

GaryQQQ

You only have to bet if you're last to act, it's perfectly OK to check the nuts on river when OOP to try and induce another player to bet.

OMahonyO

Please dont tell me you fined him for checking the nuts oop, omg I`m not surprised ppl thought it harsh.  If its like a pub game where most of the players are inexperienced, I think its harsh making them pay a penalty even if in position.  Let them know after theyve done it so they know for next time.  Also, so long as collusion wasnt playing a part, the fact they had the nuts and didnt bet it should be punishment enough.

Also, depending how deep the tourney is, and the stack/blind ratio, a 4bb penalty, can be far worse than sitting out for a round.

yb

Also he can't have had the nuts so your ruling is wrong anyway.

OMahonyO

In Response to Re: checking the nuts on the river.:

Also he can't have had the nuts so your ruling is wrong anyway.
Posted by yb

hahahahaha, good spot yb..........an apology in order don i think lol, oh and an extra 4bb to his starting stack lol

DOHHHHHHH

looooooooooooool Donald you Duck !!!!!

acebarry10

In Response to Re: checking the nuts on the river.:

Also he can't have had the nuts so your ruling is wrong anyway.
Posted by yb

Great spot yb, the nuts would be a str8 flush imo?

BelovedLtd

"his opponent had bet on every steet (OOP)"

That suggests to me that the player with quads was in position.

BTW where does the 4bb penalty go?

The_Don90

In Response to Re: checking the nuts on the river.:

" his opponent had bet on every steet (OOP)" That suggests to me that the player with quads was in position. BTW where does the 4bb penalty go?
Posted by BelovedLtd

His opponent was first to act showed A 10 with the A of spades. was actually shocked to see this opponent check, the second player checked behind he had quad 4's. 

The 4BB penalty went into the next pot, which also encourages raising on the next hand anyways because it starts alot bigger. 

i actually missed the straight flush opportunity. Im an idiot.  

stien

There was a far far better one in a 50/1 cash game i was playing on here the week before last.

I kid you not

Raise and a call pre flop

flop is 777

bet call

trn 7

So to be clear the board is 7777

first player goes all in for £64 and gets called by a guy with £46

First player has AT the caller has............. 44

Jjust to sum the whole hand up the river comes an A for a split pot

The caller needs a lengthy ban if for no other reason than to learn the rules.

OMahonyO

In Response to Re: checking the nuts on the river.:

There was a far far better one in a 50/1 cash game i was playing on here the week before last. I kid you not Raise and a call pre flop flop is 777 bet call trn 7 So to be clear the board is 7777 first player goes all in for £64 and gets called by a guy with £46 First player has AT the caller has............. 44 Jjust to sum the whole hand up the river comes an A for a split pot The caller needs a lengthy ban if for no other reason than to learn the rules.
Posted by stien

what was his name

stien

I wish I could remember lol

unknown_username

he probably knew the ace was coming:)

GREGHOGG

i would have fined him his whole stack for losing so much value on the end and playing it like a moron:)

beaneh

wat wat wat

what rules do you use? 4bb penalty? at any stage of tournie first hand or hu?!!?

checking nuts oop is obviously fine. 

confused.com

shaun09

lol i dint even realise you can get fined ect. as far as i was aware ( i never played live) that you play ur hands howy you want to. i guess im wrong haha